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Lothian Country don't accept PLUSBUS tickets, but Lothian Buses do.Unrelated but had LCB who didnt know what a plubus ticket , Lothian are good with those
Lothian Country don't accept PLUSBUS tickets, but Lothian Buses do.Unrelated but had LCB who didnt know what a plubus ticket , Lothian are good with those
Lothian Country don't accept PLUSBUS tickets, but Lothian Buses do.
LCB seem to be getting complaints about NOT stopping for passengers.. Alas I had the same trouble aswell.
Does full of air count?
Surely the empty bus jokes must be getting old now, especially since they seem to be holding out at peak times perfectly fine the only quiet times I’ve ever noticed are in late evenings but honestly what bus isn't quiet after 10 at night?
Trust me, fresh Air Express jokes never get old! It's just light hearted humour not to be taken at all seriously.
That's no real surprise First were racking up losses nearing £800 ,000 per year on a 15 minute service and that was devoid of any competition, it will never be a profitable route.The buses are carrying fresh air HOWEVER there are times buses are carrying loads but it seems to be X27/X28 Again its doesn't seem to be over the whole route.
Nope, I guess it would be a bit more popular though, possibly with all the seats taken?Have you seen the service at peak times?
Nope, I guess it would be a bit more popular though, possibly with all the seats taken?
I was being too hopeful, anyway I wonder if Lothian realise that they are never going to out compete First unless they change their tactics, if the passenger numbers are anything to go by.No, none of the buses have been like that for years. Many communtors are staying with First because of the better valued tickets
They are not going to out compete First unless they are willing to sustain many years of losses and allow Lothian to subsidise an ego trip.I was being too hopeful, anyway I wonder if Lothian realise that they are never going to out compete First unless they change their tactics, if the passenger numbers are anything to go by.
Funnily enough Lothian-City internally subsidising LC’s losses and possibly even ECB’s as well is something that First Group has/had done for years in Falkirk & Stirling not to mention its border operations First eventually got board of, yet the Lothian-City profits should be able to easily handle these losses, of course if lothian can make savings such as there barge-like XLB’s providing more seats at a lesser frequency, provided these reductions are not to severe, a savings a saving after all, its especially not seen to be severe if you get new buses on top of this..They are not going to out compete First unless they are willing to sustain many years of losses and allow Lothian to subsidise an ego trip.
Any idea when LCB figures for forst 6 months of operation will be released ?Funnily enough Lothian-City internally subsidising LC’s losses and possibly even ECB’s as well is something that First Group has/had done for years in Falkirk & Stirling not to mention its border operations First eventually got board of, yet the Lothian-City profits should be able to easily handle these losses, of course if lothian can make savings such as there barge-like XLB’s providing more seats at a lesser frequency, provided these reductions are not to severe, a savings a saving after all, its especially not seen to be severe if you get new buses on top of this..
Combine the profit of First Aberdeen, First Glasgow and possibly even Livi WITH the profit of Lothian City and you should quickly realise Lothian have the surplus to sustain a loss making entity for a superior time without any major doubt of doing so.
The public “may” view First and/or Stagecoach as simply making cuts, cuts, cuts and yet increasing fares simultaneously which of course behind the scenes is certainly the case as first/stagecoach have previously shown an unwillingness to subsidies loss making routes and/or operations, evidence by the East Coast Buses takeover in 2016(First’s ownership of Midland Bluebird still stumps me alittle though on the same basis of revenue vs losses, have they ever tryed to sell up?).
Lothian are still a Commercially operated company despite there share holders status, of course I for one accept ANY bus company wanting to provide a service to any part of the country, particularly if you’ve got a good footing before doing so.
After all, for something to be improved it can also be a loss-maker.
Thank you.The accounts to December 2018 are due to be filed by 30 September 2019. The main company accounts are usually filed in June, but they could easily delay LCB to the last possible date.
Funnily enough Lothian-City internally subsidising LC’s losses and possibly even ECB’s as well is something that First Group has/had done for years in Falkirk & Stirling not to mention its border operations First eventually got board of, yet the Lothian-City profits should be able to easily handle these losses, of course if lothian can make savings such as there barge-like XLB’s providing more seats at a lesser frequency, provided these reductions are not to severe, a savings a saving after all, its especially not seen to be severe if you get new buses on top of this..
Maybe once they cut overheads and have a depot in West Lothian they may look at fares but as it is economically they dare not try and enter a fares war with so much dead mileage trecking from Edinburgh to West Lothian to run 90% empty buses that would be economical suicide at present.LCB will eventually change there tickets to suit West Lothian. I think what people forget about is that with a LCB day ticket you get travel in Edinburgh as part of it not just West Lothian if you purchase the Lothian west day ticket
As I stated about Midland Bluebird, if Lothian have the excess to internally subsidies such a service in west lothian, good on them for spending money on there publically funded business.Maybe once they cut overheads and have a depot in West Lothian they may look at fares but as it is economically they dare not try and enter a fares war with so much dead mileage trecking from Edinburgh to West Lothian to run 90% empty buses that would be economical suicide at present.
Really ,And the need for it was ?As I stated about Midland Bluebird, if Lothian have the excess to internally subsidies such a service in west lothian, good on them for spending money on there publically funded business.
I agree certainly that Lothian City's £1.70 single is starting to look abit pricey, especially if you only plan on a small journey but don't want to walk, but many in Edinburgh seemingly come across as accepting it as they still get a well rounded, reliable service across most of the city.Really ,And the need for it was ?
Personally as a member of the public in West Lothian I don't want my funds being used to finance some guys ego trip to oust a private company , I want my funds spent on more important issues within the area as their was already a more than adequate bus service that was steadily improving with quality of vehicles and options on fares.
I wonder how impressed the passengers on Lothian buses within the City will be when their fares rise so to subsidise a white Elephant running around West Lothian for no other reason than an ego trip ?
As for excess that will be an interesting one when they eventually release their figures for this venture.
Why is it so bad ?I agree certainly that Lothian City's £1.70 single is starting to look abit pricey, especially if you only plan on a small journey but don't want to walk, but many in Edinburgh seemingly come across as accepting it as they still get a well rounded, reliable service across most of the city.
Of course...there was no need on the basis that things may have improved within FSE, the services and vehicles it operates, of course there is a poor track record of First group regardless of its subsidiaries position and no one has said that these supposed improvements will be indefinite.
All this talk about ego trips grinds my gears, if Indeed many of us are "not" fan boys of any particular company why is there such a mood from this discussion that what LCB are doing is a bad thing, if FSE tryed to move in on other Lothian City routes would many bat an eye lash, likely not yet when lothian do this to first its a bad thing? fundamentally if any person is neutral they would not care of what LCB are trying to do but you would simply view it as what could be improved to better compete against FSE, if there is a negative attitude towards Lothian trying too compete its a simply view that LCB are seen as a threat to FSE, particularly if Lothian pulled there finger out and introduced like-for-like ticket prices on Weekly, Monthly and annual tickets.
Do you disagree it's an ego trip for Mr Hall trying to have a monopoly on bus services in so many areas? , financially it made no sense to move into West Lothian unless First were moving out And it is almost unheard off in public transport for an operator to launch so many new vehicles and new routes in an area already being served with the frequency First and other operators were doing in West Lothian .I agree certainly that Lothian City's £1.70 single is starting to look abit pricey, especially if you only plan on a small journey but don't want to walk, but many in Edinburgh seemingly come across as accepting it as they still get a well rounded, reliable service across most of the city.
Of course...there was no need on the basis that things may have improved within FSE, the services and vehicles it operates, of course there is a poor track record of First group regardless of its subsidiaries position and no one has said that these supposed improvements will be indefinite.
All this talk about ego trips grinds my gears, if Indeed many of us are "not" fan boys of any particular company why is there such a mood from this discussion that what LCB are doing is a bad thing, if FSE tryed to move in on other Lothian City routes would many bat an eye lash, likely not yet when lothian do this to first its a bad thing? fundamentally if any person is neutral they would not care of what LCB are trying to do but you would simply view it as what could be improved to better compete against FSE, if there is a negative attitude towards Lothian trying too compete its a simply view that LCB are seen as a threat to FSE, particularly if Lothian pulled there finger out and introduced like-for-like ticket prices on Weekly, Monthly and annual tickets.