SWR new services

[theironroad]

I’m afraid traincrew isn’t something I get the insight to!

No worries, thanks for other inputs.

 

[pompeyfan]

Winchester is a hugely busy station these days and taking Clapham or Woking out a train causes a massive backlash in terms of connectivity.

A difficult debate connectivity v speed v frequency; you only have to look at the demand for Reading (for connections), Didcot (for Oxford) and Swindon calls on the Western.

If that’s the issue then run more fast 1Txx services, Fratton, Fareham, Eastleigh, Winchester, Basingstoke then either Woking or Clapham. If we’re only talking about Sunday’s then the paths are surely available. Might even mean journey times are nearly as competitive as via the direct as well.

 

[LLB]

According to real time trains the Guildford to Farnham service looks set to be starting from May also, accompanied with the Aldershot-Ascot service

 

[infobleep]

This runs directly behind the 0615 from Pompey which rather interestingly (and I'm guessing may be of great happiness to Infobleep) has had a Surbiton stop added which will not be popular with longer distance commuters. That being said there is now a 0512 fast from Pompey so win some lose some!

Only just seen these threads, thanks to SWT passenger. That would have been nice.

The Surbiton call in 1P16 is a data error in the timetable process and will be disappearing again in due course....

But your post explains why it didn't appear to be stopping when I just looked.

I can't complain because the 17:39 and 18:40 Surbtion to Woking fasts are still there. As are the 18:24 Clapham Junction to Haslemere and the 6:53 Guildford to Waterloo, which happens to stop at Clapham Junction.

 

[infobleep]

How come trains are not stopping at Worplesdon on Sundays? Is their not enough time in the existing paths that will be used going forward for them to stop there?

I appreciate not everyone sees the need and I'm solely looking at this from a what they said they wanted to do point of view rather than is it needed

I personally don't see why not as it enables one to get out and go walking there on a Sunday.

 

[infobleep]

Given this is a transition timetable, I'm amazed the Farnham to Guildford services are planned to start.

I'd have expected there to be changes on the Guildford New Line in order to plug the gap to Leatherhead between 7:58 and 8:58 and to also plug the evening gaps.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

How come trains are not stopping at Worplesdon on Sundays? Is their not enough time in the existing paths that will be used going forward for them to stop there?

I appreciate not everyone sees the need and I'm solely looking at this from a what they said they wanted to do point of view rather than is it needed

I personally don't see why not as it enables one to get out and go walking there on a Sunday.

Worplesdon has always been closed on Sundays, not just from this May.

 

[swt_passenger]

Given this is a transition timetable, I'm amazed the Farnham to Guildford services are planned to start.

If operating Farnham - Guildford rather than Ascot - Guildford can be done by perhaps leaving the Guildford times the same as now, and running Aldershot to Ascot in the same times as now, it shouldn’t impact on anyone else. Indeed the split services may even be more reliable.

 

[TEW]

If operating Farnham - Guildford rather than Ascot - Guildford can be done by perhaps leaving the Guildford times the same as now, and running Aldershot to Ascot in the same times as now, it shouldn’t impact on anyone else. Indeed the split services may even be more reliable.

The times on the Guildford-Aldershot section have actually been recast, and it appears that the platforming on many services at Guildford has needed changing as a result.

 

[swt_passenger]

The times on the Guildford-Aldershot section have actually been recast, and it appears that the platforming on many services at Guildford has needed changing as a result.

Oh, I’m surprised. I thought it would have been fairly self contained.

 

[TEW]

If they were extended to Farnham using the current Guildford to Aldershot times they would be too close to the Waterloo to Alton trains, so there was no choice but to alter the timings really.

 

[swt_passenger]

If they were extended to Farnham using the current Guildford to Aldershot times they would be too close to the Waterloo to Alton trains, so there was no choice but to alter the timings really.

Makes sense. But all told NR must have been happy with the changes, so in hindsight there wasn’t really a “blanket ban” on changes across the whole Wessex route as sometimes thought.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Makes sense. But all told NR must have been happy with the changes, so in hindsight there wasn’t really a “blanket ban” on changes across the whole Wessex route as sometimes thought.

The blanket ban was Dec 18, May 19 is limited changes as agreed with each route via an industry PMO team.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Given this is a transition timetable, I'm amazed the Farnham to Guildford services are planned to start.

I'd have expected there to be changes on the Guildford New Line in order to plug the gap to Leatherhead between 7:58 and 8:58 and to also plug the evening gaps.

The gap on the New Line is caused by Southern deciding to withdraw the circa 08.20 Guildford to London Bridge service in May 2018.

 

[infobleep]

The gap on the New Line is caused by Southern deciding to withdraw the circa 08.20 Guildford to London Bridge service in May 2018.

I could be wrong but I thought it had been withdrawn because South Western Railway were going to run a train in that time instead and so it didn't matter what time it rsn.

However it will have been a year and no such South Western Railway service. To be fair that was due to run from Dec 18.

Given there are limited service changes, I might have expected a change here to plug the gap. There maybe various reasons why this wasn't possible during this transition period.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

I could be wrong but I thought it had been withdrawn because South Western Railway were going to run a train in that time instead and so it didn't matter what time it rsn.

However it will have been a year and no such South Western Railway service. To be fair that was due to run from Dec 18.

Given there are limited service changes, I might have expected a change here to plug the gap. There maybe various reasons why this wasn't possible during this transition period.

In the full timetable recast SWR did have some extra services between Guildford and Epsom but this was independent of any changes Southern chose to make.

 

[infobleep]

In the full timetable recast SWR did have some extra services between Guildford and Epsom but this was independent of any changes Southern chose to make.

OK. I'd read on here from SWT_passenger that the Southern branded services were due to go once the extra SWR services came in, so I thought they must be linked. Although to be fair originally I wasn't sure what would be happening with them. I certainly wasn't expecting gaps to be created in the morning and evening peaks.

It's just a shame it wasn't possible to plug the gaps this time. I wonder how long it will be before the gaps can be plugged. Hopefully they won't be one of the last changes to be made.

 

[infobleep]

The Monday 20th May timetable is now on National Rail Enquiries and I can look up the train times for connecting trains.

To my surprised I've found that the evening gap from Leatherhead to Guildford has been plugged. That's great news. I'd only checked the morning previously. I should have checked the evening.

No longer will it take 1 hour 09 minutes if one got the 17:31 from Cheam to Guildford, with its two changes but 54 minutes, with just one change. Saves one 15 minutes which if they were regularly needing to commute at that time would be 1 hour 15 minutes a week. Obviously one might not travel at that time currently, if they knew it to be problematic.

Anyone else come across any other useful new journey opportunities caused by these changes?

 

[infobleep]

Another positive thing I've just noticed is that there will be a 23:34 Farnham to Guildford. This means for passengers who don't wish to walk between Ash Vale and North Camp, they can head back from Farnham and other stations half an hour later than they currently can.

If your a lone female, you may not wish to walk between the two stations I've not done it myself. The alternative is via Woking but that isn't a valid route to Guildford from Farnham on a single
ticket. It is however safer.

In fact no Farnham to Guildford via North Camp journeys show up going forward. There is one journey in the reverse still. That tended to have a lot more suggested routes via North Camp anyway due to the timings of trains at Aldershot.

There are still journeys via Woking at the beginning and the end of the day from Guildford to Farnham. These being the only options at the times they run but alas they are not valid on a single ticket. Also one or two in the evening peak but direct trains run too then.

 

[pompeyfan]

This morning on my twitter feed from a ‘local’ (Global owned) radio station was this...

South Western Railway have confirmed they're putting on an extra 300 services- including two more fast morning trains between #Portsmouth and Waterloo

this is the first time I’ve seen anything in local news about what I presume is the May 19 timetable. Anyone found these extra headline trains? I’d assume they’ll be in the 1P9X range?

 

[HamworthyGoods]

This morning on my twitter feed from a ‘local’ (Global owned) radio station was this...



this is the first time I’ve seen anything in local news about what I presume is the May 19 timetable. Anyone found these extra headline trains? I’d assume they’ll be in the 1P9X range?

These are as previously discussed an earlier first fast service and a relief to the current 06.15 up.

1P12 05.12 PMH - WAT (06.51)
1P90 06.40 HAV - WAT (08.05)

 

[pompeyfan]

These are as previously discussed an earlier first fast service and a relief to the current 06.15 up.

1P12 05.12 PMH - WAT (06.51)
1P90 06.40 HAV - WAT (08.05)

Thanks for clarifying, in my head I thought that 1P90 was a stopper rather than a fast. I had forgotten about the introduction of 1P12. I’m surprised 1P12 doesn’t run slightly earlier and arrive into Waterloo on the coat tails of 2P12.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Thanks for clarifying, in my head I thought that 1P90 was a stopper rather than a fast. I had forgotten about the introduction of 1P12. I’m surprised 1P12 doesn’t run slightly earlier and arrive into Waterloo on the coat tails of 2P12.

1P90 is probably best described as a semi-fast calling at Petersfield, Haslemere, Godalming, Farncombe, Guildford, Worplesdon and Woking.

As well as providing relief to 1P16 it is also I believe intended to provide relief to 2P18 which I think is the busiest AM Pompey line peak service and the only one which was formed of 450s when everything else was 444s.

 

[pompeyfan]

If anyone wants to read the full statement it can be found here

https://www.southwesternrailway.com...-additional-train-services-across-its-network

Friday 08th March 2019


Customers based across the South Western Railway network will benefit from extra services and journey opportunities when the next train timetable is introduced, from 19 May.

Andy Mellors, Managing Director of South Western Railway, welcomed the good news:
“There will be substantial changes to our next timetable starting in May, which will bring over 300 additional train services a week for our customers.

“Many of these service enhancements are based on extensive consultations and feedback sessions that were undertaken previously with local stakeholders, businesses, community groups and customers.

“We are very pleased that these enhancements will come to fruition shortly and we will continue to work on refurbishing our existing fleet and introducing brand new state-of-the-art trains in to service by the end of the year.”

Here are some of the highlights from the new timetable:

• Two additional fast Portsmouth to Waterloo services* in the morning peak and an additional evening peak service to Guildford / Haslemere.
• Reading to Waterloo passengers will see two additional trains during the morning peak, and there will also be an additional service during the morning peak from Ascot to Reading. There will also be additional Windsor and Hounslow trains in the morning peak period towards London.
• The Waterloo to Farnham (via Ascot) route will see two additional services, while one additional Waterloo to Windsor, and two Reading to Ascot services will also be added, all during the evening peak.
• New half-hourly service between Farnham and Guildford.
• Extra later evening services from Waterloo to Salisbury and Waterloo to Portsmouth.
• On Sundays, there will be a new Salisbury to Reading (via Basingstoke) service.
• On the south coast, there will be some additional services between Weymouth/Poole/Southampton and Waterloo during peak times.
• Extra weekday and weekend services from Yeovil to Waterloo calling at Castle Cary, Bruton and Frome.
• Godalming will benefit as all fast Portsmouth/Waterloo services will call at the station (doubling the number of services).

Other improvements to the timetable include some evening suburban service changes with an additional Waterloo to Chessington South and Chessington South to Wimbledon service.

The summer Saturday Weymouth service on the Salisbury to Yeovil route will be extended to cover the full timetable period.

 

[swt_passenger]

“300 trains per week”. Makes me think of when they announce “extra seats per week” or whatever to exaggerate the numbers.

So around 50 trains per weekday, but does that include all the new Guildford - Farnham split from the existing Guildford - Ascots? That alone must be about half of the new stuff?

It’s all good to see anyway, but let’s not get carried away...

 

[HamworthyGoods]

“300 trains per week”. Makes me think of when they announce “extra seats per week” or whatever to exaggerate the numbers.

So around 50 trains per weekday, but does that include all the new Guildford - Farnham split from the existing Guildford - Ascots? That alone must be about half of the new stuff?

This number looks like it excludes the Guildford to Ascot being split into 2 separate services as the split of these over a week is about 350 trains.

 

[swt_passenger]

This number looks like it excludes the Guildford to Ascot being split into 2 separate services as the split of these over a week is about 350 trains.

Oh thanks. In fact I completely forgot they run both ways, so there’s 4 an hour...

 

[infobleep]

“300 trains per week”. Makes me think of when they announce “extra seats per week” or whatever to exaggerate the numbers.

So around 50 trains per weekday, but does that include all the new Guildford - Farnham split from the existing Guildford - Ascots? That alone must be about half of the new stuff?

It’s all good to see anyway, but let’s not get carried away...

I was just thinking along similar lines to yourself.

If the nee service has only been Guildford to Aldershot, rather than Farnham, that would have greatly reduced the number of new services that could be announced.

Edit: just seen the above replies. So wonder what rhe additional 300 services are. After all it's not the full timetable yet.

 

[Bessie]

One of the extra peak Reading to Waterloo trains leaves Reading at 5.53am, 11 minutes after the first train of the day. Early risers will have plenty of seats! RTT shows Platform 24 will be in use.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Real Time Trains shows the following additional in the Guildford aside from the revised Farnham services.

05.12 PMH-WAT
07.00 WAT-PMH
06.40 HAV-WAT
17.09 WAT-GLD (via EPS was EFF terminator)
17.18 WAT-HSL
18.28 GLD-WAT (via EPS was EFF starter)
18.38 HSL-WAT
20.09 WAT-GLD (via EPS)
20.28 GLD-WAT (via EPS)
20.40 HSL-WAT
21.15 PMH-WAT
21.40 HSL-GLD
23.00 WAT-PMH
23.15 GLD-WOK
23.30 WAT-PMH