Darklord8899
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Aye, that's exactly why they are doing it, really should be increasing the afternoon peak frequency to 15 mins though imo or give the 300 B8s
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Aye, that's exactly why they are doing it, really should be increasing the afternoon peak frequency to 15 mins though imo or give the 300 B8s
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OmniCity999
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It's a management demo. It might see service but it's unlikely it will.
It probably is but I best not say more or I'll get hung for giving out state secrets!
Lothian285
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Anyone know if the East Coast Tour is running this year? I would have thought that something would have been announced by now.
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scotrail158713
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The open topper as in the decker that had its roof ripped off at the Western General?If not they could stick the open toppers on the 124 during July/August
Darklord8899
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The open topper as in the decker that had its roof ripped off at the Western General?
Lol aye
isn't that one still sitting at Marine?
OmniCity999
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Lol aye
20942, the aforementioned decker is moving to Ferrymill soon to receive it's new roof and glazing. When it re-enters service, 20794 will be first to go. More B9TLs are being sourced for the remaining B7's at ECB.
East coast tours arent running, but the open toppers will be used for the 737 service.
The Evora single decker is a managers demo but may see service, but it's unlikely. We're struggling to find a cash vault that will fit and the union dont want staff handling money. Also believe it hasnt got a bandit screen as of yet.
Dont know if you've heard but things between Lothian and the union arent the best right now.
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Bluebirdscot66
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Are union involved with Lothian Country then as they don’t have bandit screens , I know it makes for a friendlier look .
OmniCity999
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As LC, EBT and ECB are different companies, since their inception, they've not had screens and this has been the agreement with the union since the start. If an LB employee were to cover shifts at either company they are perfectly within their right to turn a vehicle down if it doesnt have a bandit screen. Which is why sometimes you'll see a madder bus on LC routes. Sometimes it's shortness of vehicles other times it's short staff and an LB driver turning a bus down.
Ideally you'd want an ECB driver to cover an LC route, however both LC and ECB are st capacity in terms of drivers to work. Both need more drivers. Its regularly someone from head office covering shifts instead of drivers from other companies.
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Bluebirdscot66
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Ah , I get it . Glasgow is the same ,though now every route in first Glasgow has a bandit screen .
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I don't know if this is still the case, but I recall years ago that Lothian had a different design of bandit screen which the driver could retract or raise according to preferences.
Gingerbus1991
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ADL do offer a retractable screen
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The only buses in the fleet without openable screens are the ex London Geminis.
Jordan Adam
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As do Optare and Wright (Except on the Streelite).
I'm on a very rare visit to Edinburgh, and o had a chance to sample one of the XLBs on the 31earlier this evening.
I was quite impressed. I like the colour of the seats. The skylights on the upper deck are a plus, and I was impressed with how the bus managed to conquer Kirk Brae with what seemed like little effort (despite the roadworks).
The passenger info screens are great. While the 31 is a route that I'm familiar with, I was going beyond outwith my previous "zone" and it was useful. The audio would drive me crazy if I was regular, though. "Exit doors closing" every quarter mile can get very wearing. Having said that, the announcements aren't overly loud.
Overall, 8/10. They're impressive vehicles.
I was quite impressed. I like the colour of the seats. The skylights on the upper deck are a plus, and I was impressed with how the bus managed to conquer Kirk Brae with what seemed like little effort (despite the roadworks).
The passenger info screens are great. While the 31 is a route that I'm familiar with, I was going beyond outwith my previous "zone" and it was useful. The audio would drive me crazy if I was regular, though. "Exit doors closing" every quarter mile can get very wearing. Having said that, the announcements aren't overly loud.
Overall, 8/10. They're impressive vehicles.
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There not great I’m LCB and getting a bus with a screen is quite annoying and can get in the way at times with mirrors etc and trying to hear people that’s just impossible I think that’s probably cause we are not used to it
Bluebirdscot66
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Noticed a lot of them smoke a lot from the exhaust,(down the offside of the bus ) is this because of the regeneration?
Gingerbus1991
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No, the diesel-fueled Heater exhaust is situated just behind the front offside wheel.
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Good to hear that 20942 is getting repaired and returned to service and not just left to rot at Marine
I had assumed that the cash vaults were a standard "one size fits all" interesting to find this isnt the case.
thanks as always for the info!
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Good to see 20942 is returning to service, havent seen it at Marine is it out the back?
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Why has it taken so long to decide to get 942 repaired?
Jordan Adam
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Possibly down to insurance. First Aberdeen's 38220 crashed in to a bridge in October 2017 and wasn't back until August 2018. Sadly these things take time. Not to mention parts can sometimes be an issue.
SpeedbirdA350
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20942 happened 18th Sept 2017, so a month before 38220, still, atleast she is being fixed. I thought personally they'd have turned her in to an open top for ECB or scrapped her. Be good to see her back on the road though
OmniCity999
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The duration of time includes:
Assessing the damage - the bus had to be thoroughly assessed from top top bottom, especially where the body meets the chassis. Believe work is being done here too.
Insurance - our insurance is done in house. It had to be assessed if it was worth re building as it cant be rebuilt in house, so is it worth outsourcing the work?
Sourcing the parts - originally Wright wouldnt produce a new roof, side pillars or cabling but have since changed their tune. - these are all legacy parts. The Gemini 2 isnt made any more, so an entire new roof, glazing, cabling and pillars had to be constructed.
Sourcing the relevant people to rebuild - we dont have the tooling in house to rebuild it. Theres a lot of fibre glass work to be carried out, never mind the structural or electrical. The work is being carried out at Ferrymill Motors by their staff assisted by Wright bus and Volvo employees. Lothian apprentices are involved with the rebuild too.
Weather we've gone with the cheaper option of installing gasket glazing on the upper deck or the proper bonded glazing remains to be seen as I simply dont know.
Assessing the damage - the bus had to be thoroughly assessed from top top bottom, especially where the body meets the chassis. Believe work is being done here too.
Insurance - our insurance is done in house. It had to be assessed if it was worth re building as it cant be rebuilt in house, so is it worth outsourcing the work?
Sourcing the parts - originally Wright wouldnt produce a new roof, side pillars or cabling but have since changed their tune. - these are all legacy parts. The Gemini 2 isnt made any more, so an entire new roof, glazing, cabling and pillars had to be constructed.
Sourcing the relevant people to rebuild - we dont have the tooling in house to rebuild it. Theres a lot of fibre glass work to be carried out, never mind the structural or electrical. The work is being carried out at Ferrymill Motors by their staff assisted by Wright bus and Volvo employees. Lothian apprentices are involved with the rebuild too.
Weather we've gone with the cheaper option of installing gasket glazing on the upper deck or the proper bonded glazing remains to be seen as I simply dont know.
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Any rough ideas as to when it will be back out?
OmniCity999
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Unfortunately not, personally i'd say another 3 months at least. Although i wouldnt be surprised if we didnt see it until 2020.
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OmniCity999
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Any available decker at Marine, largely B7's i'd imagine. 48's will be singles and there will be rush buses at certain times, with some single's coming off the road for the foreseeable future, we have storage arranged. Other service timetables may require extra buses. Some may go to LC or ECB, i imagine they could do with more singles due to certain route changes.
ScotRail158725
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So will they not be stored in Marine Car Park?
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