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Heat related issues (25 July 2019 and subsequent days)

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A good day to drive to and from work!!!

It was only ever going to go one way today. It seems like the industry as a whole did a pretty good job at getting the message out.

Obviously that’s no help to those who had commitments which meant they had to travel but has hopefully thinned out the numbers somewhat.

I don’t know, the risk of driving is being stuck on a hard shoulder with an overheating engine. By comparison I’d probably rather be stuck on a train with a six pack of water bottles on the table in front of me. I just wish more trains had openable windows for use when air conditioning is unavailable.

I did notice most people on my train home sensibly had plenty of water with them - although these were sensible “commuter types” rather than the “family types” who seem to expect everything to revolve around themselves.
 
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I learnt many years ago to avoid trains particularly Northern ones during hot weather.
Sadly after chatting to some potential passengers the other day my view now seems to be more general so revenue must be list. Poor really.
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Spot on - some of the evacuations even today have been much quicker than others (the evacuation of 9K39 has been particularly entertaining - reports of just one person onboard!).

I think emergency response performance today around the major cities has been pretty much as good as resources have allowed, given the extreme circumstances. A lot of people have been very uncomfortable or stranded, but so far, it doesn't seem that there's much evidence that the industry could have worked any more quickly. VT were "well on the way" with the process of arranging rescue trains for the Euston/Camden incident within less than 5 minutes of the issue having occurred.



Some people just won't listen, or have no idea that it's a good idea to check before travelling. Still a bonkers idea to voluntarily go into London today, though.



Yes, that's my concern as well. I doubt much of this will be fully fixed before tomorrow morning's peak if the weather worsens and staff can't work at height.



I sympathise. Turbostars are grim places for train crew on a summer's day. But it does seem most fleets are affected. Some of the 700s - meant to have been tested for the most extreme weather conditions - are getting so warm that people are being physically sick.



I was told the fires were being extinguished at about that point. Evidently it was a slower process than originally thought possible!

I could have been clearer - it's mostly been 15x units the crews have been walking off. A large number of EMT Liverpool services have been cancelled as a result (and who can blame them - guards and drivers have been coming down with heat exhaustion and heat stroke). Anglia have parked up their 170s because the *units* can't cope with the heat - presumably running around at 60 mph and never changing to direct drive means they will boil over and go pop.
 

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Do you think they will be back to normal tomorrow? I am flying out of Luton.
Probably. I think they will provide a metro service on the slows or even delay the crossover from the core to after the tunnels if they are still tidying up.
 

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Plan at West Hampstead is to move the trapped trains and work towards getting two lines of four open.
 

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I'm very pleased that I was able to work from home today, though (to my genuine surprise) Waterloo seems to be somewhat OK.

What happens when very large numbers of people are unable to travel? I know that if it's a handful they'll get bussed or taxied home, but presumably you can't do that with, say, 100,000 people. Sleep in the station?
 

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I've abandoned my journey and will try to get back home from Kings X to Hull tomorrow.
 

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Anyone know what the situation is at Peterborough? Everything around Peterborough looks to be stopped, but the HST reported earlier to be stopped at Stevenage is now moving - is there a way for it to reach the Spalding line?
 

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Can't be much fun for all the commuters who'll be back home very late and then have to be up again for work tomorrow morning.
 

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LNER departures and arrivals at Kings X currently suspended (per national rail enquiries twitter).
 

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I don’t know, the risk of driving is being stuck on a hard shoulder with an overheating engine. By comparison I’d probably rather be stuck on a train with a six pack of water bottles on the table in front of me. I just wish more trains had openable windows for use when air conditioning is unavailable.

I did notice most people on my train home sensibly had plenty of water with them - although these were sensible “commuter types” rather than the “family types” who seem to expect everything to revolve around themselves.

A bit silly to be travelling by train today unless absolutely necessary (work, holiday booked etc). All the networks advised to avoid if possible.
 

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Are the widespread OHLE problems today due to the weather (slacker wires due to the heat so more likely to come down?) Or is it just coincidence? If it’s a stupid question then apologies!

Not a stupid question at all - but any answer would need a review later on as to what happened.
Probably. I think they will provide a metro service on the slows or even delay the crossover from the core to after the tunnels if they are still tidying up.

To NR's and dare i say FCC and GTR's utter credit - after carnage - they pretty well always pull it back overnight. Much respect for that. Fingers crossed.
 

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I don’t know, the risk of driving is being stuck on a hard shoulder with an overheating engine. By comparison I’d probably rather be stuck on a train with a six pack of water bottles on the table in front of me. I just wish more trains had openable windows for use when air conditioning is unavailable.

health and safety says openable windows are a risk to people leaning/falling out.
it seems to have escaped their attention that the lack of them is also a risk to health through exhaustion.

hence why i despise health and safety nazis.
they are experts at not seeing the wood for the trees.

risk assessment culture says eliminate risk where possible, problem is sometimes the solution will increase another risk,and you have to weigh up the lesser of two evils, which health and safety are utterly useless at. the box ticking lower risk everywhere applies to everything at all costs.
 
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As said upthread a good time to go and sit in the pub for a while...

I assume that taxi drivers in the Euston Road area will be rubbing their hands together...
 

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LNER departures and arrivals at Kings X currently suspended (per national rail enquiries twitter).

Everyone kicked off what should have been the 16:30 Edinburgh a while ago so it could run ECS to depot to clear a platform for an inbound Azuma.

HST on P3 looks like it may be getting preped for service.
 

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So the wires are down on both the East & West coast main lines & people wonder why they advised against non essential travel :rolleyes:
 

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A good day to drive to and from work!!!

It was only ever going to go one way today. It seems like the industry as a whole did a pretty good job at getting the message out.

Obviously that’s no help to those who had commitments which meant they had to travel but has hopefully thinned out the numbers somewhat.

You gotta be kidding, the first off peak trains to London were packed full of families away for the day out*, meanwhile the trains coming into Brighton from about 11 from London were packed silly of everyone heading for a day out by the sea. It's clouded over, but still very hot and humid. Glad I'm not around the times to bring em all home.
*I do wonder about folks, gonna be the hottest day of the year, all on the news that trains might have issues, I know, lets all wander round London for the day.
(spent my day sweating in the back cab of a 313, aKA, the Southern Sauna)
 

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So the wires are down on both the East & West coast main lines & people wonder why they advised against non essential travel :rolleyes:
Not sure about ECML, but they DIDN'T advise that this morning on the WCML. A full morning peak was run, which is very daft if you don't expect to get them home. Others thinned all day. WCML infrastructure itself holding up very well, touch wood.
 

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Totally newbie question here. Traditionally track was made up of lengths (60' I think) joined by plates. Presumably the gaps between each section of track allowed for expansion. Is the issue of buckling tracks down to the modern way of running long lengths of continuously welded rail and thus a modern issue, or did they have similar things 40/50/70 years ago when it got hot in the summer. 1906 had a heatwave where it reached 36c, 1911 had a heatwave that lasted from July to September when it was still 33c in September. It seems that two days of extreme hot weather and the country comes to a halt.
 

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Totally newbie question here. Traditionally track was made up of lengths (60' I think) joined by plates. Presumably the gaps between each section of track allowed for expansion. Is the issue of buckling tracks down to the modern way of running long lengths of continuously welded rail and thus a modern issue, or did they have similar things 40/50/70 years ago when it got hot in the summer. 1906 had a heatwave where it reached 36c, 1911 had a heatwave that lasted from July to September when it was still 33c in September. It seems that two days of extreme hot weather and the country comes to a halt.
I've seen a picture of the train Flying Scotsman in steam days lying on it's side after coming off due to buckled tracks in hot weather. Not a new thing.
 

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Not sure about ECML, but they DIDN'T advise that this morning on the WCML. A full morning peak was run, which is very daft if you don't expect to get them home. Others thinned all day. WCML infrastructure itself holding up very well, touch wood.
I took hundreds in this morning on the GEML but later they where people going for days out in London paying no attention to the warnings. When everything goes wrong later the TOCs are lumbered with them & they can't wait to bleat about their plight & the dreadful way they've been left stranded.
 

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I took hundreds in this morning on the GEML but later they where people going for days out in London paying no attention to the warnings. When everything goes wrong later the TOCs are lumbered with them & they can't wait to bleat about their plight & the dreadful way they've been left stranded.
Which is why you put out a do not travel clear and early. Only Southeastern had one on National Rail yesterday evening, fair play to them. What did GA have out? It wasn't on NRE you can hardly bleat about people travelling if they were selling tickets and taking them in.
 

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I see LNER website is still saying to travel as close to today's booked time tomorrow. I asked at Kings X and will follow their reply of getting the any LNER service. Hopefully as early as possible.
 

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Which is why you put out a do not travel clear and early. Only Southeastern had one on National Rail yesterday evening, fair play to them. What did GA have out? It wasn't on NRE you can hardly bleat about people travelling if they were selling tickets and taking them in.
GA where pumping out excellent & clear DO NOT TRAVEL alerts constantly last night (& getting the usual abuse from the usual crowd) & I understand those that simply have to work but later this morning the trains where full of those on a different planet.
 
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