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TPE Mark 5A coaching stock progress

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neilboo said:
No sleep the night of operations, and not helped by some Herbert kicking over my coffee at Victoria!
A good mornings sights and sounds and many more to come.
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That’s an absolutely fantastic video, you’ve really shown the train off beautifully. Great departure from Manchester Victoria, a nice bit of acceleration.

I know what you mean about no sleep; I played ‘TPE Russian Roulette’ with 2 out of 3 York-Man overnights cancelled.

And sorry for being a Herbert:'(
 
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Bantamzen said:
You could probably have separate threads on seat alignment, legroom, air conditioning, seat covers, seat colour, colour of the fonts used on the PIS, accent used on the automated announcements, type of tea served onboard.... :D

Seriously though, its just nice to see the first of the 68 / MKVs out there giving passengers a bit more room. Which is after the most important facet of these units.
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The 10:41 SCA-LIV yesterday demonstrated that perfectly. Race Day at York on a sunny summer Saturday, and despite the Scarborough York ‘shuttle’ departing at 10:27, the 10:41 would have been ‘full and standing’ with a 185. With the Nova 3 the train felt pretty comfortable.
 
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Whilst it's great to see an overdue uplift in capacity for this route, the only real thing I was disappointed with the ride quality of the new coaches, I found it hard and tiring. There is too much wobble and joggle and the ride just does not feel as smooth and relaxing as much older stock.

Do the Mk5 use the same bogies as the 195's as they feel the same to me, close your eyes and these feel more like riding on a coach on the motorway than on a train.

Sorry if you don't agree, just my first opinion.
 
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tpjm said:
Freight in front caused a route setting defect. Essentially we had to pass two signals at danger.



Friday has nothing to do with any plan. 7 days in traffic, 3 days out. It’s all based around the training plan.

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In relation to the “in service officially” comment, Nova 3 is not classed as “in service” until it works regular diagrams on a permanent basis which is not the case as this entry is tied directly to the training plan.

There will be a launch in the future but it’s not Monday and there will need to be more than one Nova in traffic.
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Well done to the staff yesterday, it certainly couldn’t have been easy for the drivers and guards on ‘pass out’ turns working such busy and high profile trains.

Well done too to all those involved with the introduction of the new trains. It’s clearly been difficult all round and it was clear yesterday that there are some very human stories behind it all.

As always best wishes to all involved.
 
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sjpowermac said:
That’s an absolutely fantastic video, you’ve really shown the train off beautifully. Great departure from Manchester Victoria, a nice bit of acceleration.
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It is good, thanks to the OP for it.

There's a proper dipped joint at the start of P14, isn't there? It looks like the whole train front drops a few inches. That'll need fixing before it screws up a rush hour by taking P14 out for a few hours.

From the walk-through First Class looks absolutely superb (at least on a par with Virgin Pendolino 1st which I would probably say is the UK's present best). Standard doesn't look quite as bad on window alignment as I thought, at least unlike the 195 some bays are aligned. As someone said it'd be easily fixed by swapping one table bay for 2 rows of airline seats, one row at the outer end by the priority seats and one in the middle to reset the alignment. The issue seems similar to the Mk3 coach - the windows are spaced for First Class - so a similar fix would adjust it back and probably take a few hours with a spanner per set.

The Standard seats, of course, are Fainsa Sophias, so refer to the multitude of threads on those for how good they are or aren't :D
 
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Is the diagram starting with 0856 ex LIV definitely a Mark 5A set today (as quoted in #4532)?
 
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Window alignment is dreadful on this. I don't think it's a CAF issue. In the 195s defence, I travel on them everyday now and I find the window alignment to be generally acceptable with most seats having a view.
 
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Roger B said:
Surely the Mk5s were procured to speed-up capacity increase on the core routes over the pennines. And now we are to understand that priority is being given to introduction of the 802s.

Yes, everyone knows how 'hellishly' complex everything the introduction of new rolling stock is, eg getting the Stadler 68s to communicate with the CAF Mk5s. But such issues should have been anticipated (given how complex everyone knows things to be), and their resolution recorded within the contracts with CAF. And if it wasn't possible to resolve these issues prior to contracts being signed, perhaps it's not that surprising it's taking quite a while to resolve them subsequently. Either way, by any reasonable measure the 'gamble' by TPE management to get the Mk5s into squadron service ahead of the 802s has not paid off - and I'd say a significant root cause was pressing on with the project without first having obtained sufficient contractual obligations, eg between Stadler and CAF. Given the complexity, no crystal ball should have been required to see how the Nova3 project would go without these commitments in place.
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Coming from an engineering background, all I can say is that when asked how long it takes to commission something is that it takes as long as it takes. You not only have to prove the positives but also the negatives. Thus the more complex the equipment being put through its acceptance, the longer that it’ll take. An example of this would be proving that the toilet will still flush when accelerating and not locking itself out of service due to a pressure pulse when entering or leaving a tunnel!
 
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The TPE assist twitter stream seems to think so, loco on the Scarborough end.
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A photo on Facebook confirms the loco is at the Scarborough end. I was planning to go out to photograph a westbound working so will need to change my plans and go out later for the 1552 ex Liverpool!
 
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Any veg going out tomorrow, should be the 'Monday - Thursday' diagram it's on... Not the 'Sunday' diagram :)

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geoffk said:
A photo on Facebook confirms the loco is at the Scarborough end. I was planning to go out to photograph a westbound working so will need to change my plans and go out later for the 1552 ex Liverpool!
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Whole set is reversed so is it actually the same one as yesterday?
Anyway, yesterday was probably the first ever "pushed" transpenine going east and we are about to have the first ever going west.
 
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daikilo said:
Whole set is reversed so is it actually the same one as yesterday?
Anyway, yesterday was probably the first ever "pushed" transpenine going east and we are about to have the first ever going west.
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Same one as yesterday, TP09 Just used the Curve between Vic and Picc yesterday evening.
 
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68027 looking glorious in the sun today, working the service from Scarborough to Lime Street.

DVT-thingy leading to Liverpool, loco leading from Liverpool.

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KevinTurvey said:
Do the Mk5 use the same bogies as the 195's as they feel the same to me, close your eyes and these feel more like riding on a coach on the motorway than on a train.
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No, the Mark 5As use the same bogies as the Mark 5s for Caledonian Sleeper - different bogies to the 195s / 331s / 397s.
 
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Made it out to Manchester Victoria yesterday lunchtime to catch the set on its first return leg to Liverpool - was fortunate to snap a pic of it alongside a 185 as it pulled into the adjacent platform. Wish we'd had time to take a trip out to Liverpool and back, but sadly was not to be (we did manage to get a 195 back to the Airport though!). Hopefully I'll get to ride on one in a few weeks - my other half has been wanting to visit his friend in Huddersfield...

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Well i set the alarm this morning for 0720 to go and catch the TPE Mk5a empties running via Cheshire Lines. Missed them as it was 30 minutes early, you sods!!:frown:

Caught later on, on booked route on Down Chat Moss line heading to Liverpool, looked and sounded good.

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Bletchleyite said:
You do get that where a train terminates short at its via point, I've seen it a few times. You have to manually remove the via point. I think the one I saw was "Birmingham New St via Birmingham New St" for a Scotland to Euston via Brum that was being terminated short due to severe delay.
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And of course thats because almost the entire industry is lumbered with the products of the complacent ATOS.
 
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