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Stand by for the village of Downe to go into local lockdown(e).
It seems he may have broken the law, and I hope if so that he is penalised to the full extent of it. If he isn't then the Government clearly are in his pockets.
Does anyone know which is his local Police Force? A complaint could perhaps be made in the manner it was for Cummings.
If he lives in Downe, it'll be the Met. Happily, Jail Lane is nearby.Kent, I think
It looks like Ed Davey has made a complaint, though nothing will probably come of it
Went out for a five min walk here in Leicester about 20 mins ago.
Saw 4 or 5 minicabs, two with passengers, none with facemasks.
I wonder by whom and on what grounds? People from Leicester are permitted to travel elsewhere (although they're advised against it). Apart from that, the area affected by the lockdown is relatively small. I wonder how those in Cornwall are ensuring they turn away only those from the affected area. Or is it that if you have an LE postcode (which extends into Nottinghamshire, Northamptonshire, Derbyshire and Warwickshire) you are considered persona non grata?Potential holidaymakers from Leicester are being turned away from Cornwall. But looking at it realistically, they are not supposed to leave Leicester
Technically speaking, city of residence in the UK is not a “protected characteristic” so people are allowed to be told they can’t do something for that reason.I wonder by whom and on what grounds? People from Leicester are permitted to travel elsewhere (although they're advised against it). Apart from that, the area affected by the lockdown is relatively small. I wonder how those in Cornwall are ensuring they turn away only those from the affected area. Or is it that if you have an LE postcode (which extends into Nottinghamshire, Northamptonshire, Derbyshire and Warwickshire) you are considered persona non grata?
Sounds a surefire recipe for unrest, methinks.
Technically speaking, city of residence in the UK is not a “protected characteristic” so people are allowed to be told they can’t do something for that reason.
In practice, however, people can just make up an address and I imagine many will.
Quite agree. I was rather more thinking it might be the police doing the turning away with no legal basis.Technically speaking, city of residence in the UK is not a “protected characteristic” so people are allowed to be told they can’t do something for that reason.
It is not. Officially the protected characteristics in the UK are:Isn't having or being suspected of having a particular infectious disease a protected characteristic, though?
Meaning that, provided the reason given is not any of the above, a business can refuse custom for any reason, including place of residence and/or belief of the customer carrying an infectious coronavirus.
- age.
- disability.
- gender reassignment.
- marriage and civil partnership.
- pregnancy and maternity.
- race.
- religion or belief.
- sex.
It is reported that places including bars, hairdressers and libraries will be obliged or required to take our names and phone numbers, in case of a Coronavirus outbreak, the need for Test & Trace and for us potentially to have to self-isolate.
If we can only use contactless for payment, such as for drinks at a bar, our movements can to some extent be traced.
So, if we want to keep some predictability of freedom, there will be a list of public places we need to avoid.
As regards contactless payments, although yes, in theory these could be used for tracing, I suspect that the government is too technically incompetent to be able to do it in the timescale required. After all, having to give name and contact details has only come about because their tracing app didn't work - they were told right from the beginning by people who knew what they were talking about that its design was fundamentally flawed and unworkable, but the government still continued to push it as the solution for several months!
If the government were really serious about tracing people, they would have had the security services build the system. A combination of use of bank records (especially now lots of places won't take cash), mobile phone GPS data and ANPR records should find everyone they needed to. I expect they could also use facial recognition if there was an outbreak in a shopping centre, for example.
Facial recognition isn't doing quite as well as it used to, what with all the masksIf the government were really serious about tracing people, they would have had the security services build the system. A combination of use of bank records (especially now lots of places won't take cash), mobile phone GPS data and ANPR records should find everyone they needed to. I expect they could also use facial recognition if there was an outbreak in a shopping centre, for example.
I wonder by whom and on what grounds? People from Leicester are permitted to travel elsewhere...
Without a legally approved list of “reasonable excuses” this is meaningless in legislation.... but they are not allowed to stay away overnight without a "reasonable excuse".
Without a legally approved list of “reasonable excuses” this is meaningless in legislation.
If the government were really serious about tracing people, they would have had the security services build the system. A combination of use of bank records (especially now lots of places won't take cash), mobile phone GPS data and ANPR records should find everyone they needed to.
Without a legally approved list of “reasonable excuses” this is meaningless in legislation.
It is reported that places including bars, hairdressers and libraries will be obliged or required to take our names and phone numbers, in case of a Coronavirus outbreak, the need for Test & Trace and for us potentially to have to self-isolate.
Over the last three days all the purchases I have made have been with cash. I was not carrying a mobile phone. I do not own a car.
I don't think this is correct, but can you please edit your post to include a link to, and quote from, your source, in line with forum rules please? ThanksIt is reported that places including bars, hairdressers and libraries will be obliged or required to take our names and phone numbers, in case of a Coronavirus outbreak, the need for Test & Trace and for us potentially to have to self-isolate....
I don't think this is correct, but can you please edit your post to include a link to, and quote from, your source, in line with forum rules please? Thanks
My understanding is that it is not mandatory but is an option for consideration. I will post my experience in the relevant thread shortly.