EMR Class 360's

[dmncf]

Path in for a 5Q60 Northampton to Ilford today: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K01216/2020-07-11/detailed

And tomorrow for the next one in: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K63053/2020-07-12/detailed

Thanks. Does anyone know if this path today 0918 Ilford E.M.U.D. to Willesden Up & Down Relief is related to the 360s or something unrelated?

Realtime Trains - FRGT 0918 Ilford E.M.U.D. to Willesden Up & Down Relief

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[D_MTrains]

How many 360s have been currently upgraded at Northampton and how many does that mean there is to go?

As well as that, is there any idea as to when driver training is set to start; considering the units go off-lease August 31st and the wires are energized (Bedford - Corby) on August 23rd (what I heard), could this potentially seeing the new units on training later this year?

 

[43096]

How many 360s have been currently upgraded at Northampton and how many does that mean there is to go?

As well as that, is there any idea as to when driver training is set to start; considering the units go off-lease August 31st and the wires are energized (Bedford - Corby) on August 23rd (what I heard), could this potentially seeing the new units on training later this year?

Three completed, with a fourth on its way from Ilford currently. That leaves 17 still to go.

 

[43074]

Ah, that makes sense. Good to see they will have some form of a proper depot on the Midland. Thanks Both.

For the heavy maintenance it is assumed a unit will always be elsewhere as there won't be many diagrams which actually cycle through Cauldwell, a trio overnight and between the peaks IIRC.

 

[OTRail]

360118 did the honours today

 

[Bringback309s]

Possibly with GA a little longer? Hope so https://www.railmagazine.com/news/n...delayed?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Pippy1505]

How many 360s have been currently upgraded at Northampton and how many does that mean there is to go?

As well as that, is there any idea as to when driver training is set to start; considering the units go off-lease August 31st and the wires are energized (Bedford - Corby) on August 23rd (what I heard), could this potentially seeing the new units on training later this year?

1st units for training in December

 

[Mikey C]

Possibly with GA a little longer? Hope so https://www.railmagazine.com/news/n...delayed?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

If GA are able to release them before hey are needed, a chance to update the interiors BEFORE they enter service?

And aren't the HSTs meant to leave service at the end of 2020, being indirectly and partially replaced BY the electric 360 services?

 

[T-Karmel]

I thought maybe it'll help someone here. I've just passed First Class carriage of GA's Class 360 hauled on the road on M40 Northbound in Waterperry like just 5 mins ago.

 

[43066]

And aren't the HSTs meant to leave service at the end of 2020, being indirectly and partially replaced BY the electric 360 services?

HST withdrawal now been pushed back to May, at the earliest.

 

[OTRail]

I thought maybe it'll help someone here. I've just passed First Class carriage of GA's Class 360 hauled on the road on M40 Northbound in Waterperry like just 5 mins ago.

I saw that too - why did that movement occur?

 

[Class 170101]

First class only behind cabs of GA Class 360s so if it was anything other than a cab it wouldn't have had First Class

 

[43096]

360118 back to Ilford yesterday as 5Q60 1131 from Northampton; next one currently on its way over as 5Q60 1650 from Ilford.

 

[londonmidland]

EMR doesn't use the Slows south of Bedford except during disruption or engineering access, and I can't see that changing. Anything on the Slows would soon catch up a Thameslink stopper.

I think the OP was indirectly pointing out that electric trains are currently limited to 100mph(?) south of Bedford on the original BR electrification.

 

[capital12]

If they were simple to paint on top of, somebody would have repainted one by now.

I’m not sure I know of any reputable paint shop that would simply ‘paint on top of’ the existing top coat and a repaint would usually involve sanding back the existing paint before applying new.

Or are you saying that this paint is repellent to sand paper too?!

 

[fgwrich]

I thought maybe it'll help someone here. I've just passed First Class carriage of GA's Class 360 hauled on the road on M40 Northbound in Waterperry like just 5 mins ago.

The answer to this question is... Brodie’s in Kilmarnock. Presumably they have the refurbishment contract and have taken a fairly intact looking 360116 as a trial.

 

[delt1c]

First class only behind cabs of GA Class 360s so if it was anything other than a cab it wouldn't have had First Class

Not sure what you mean. Behind the cab could be either standard or 1st. Plus 1st can be positioned anywhere in the unit

 

[Class 170101]

Not sure what you mean. Behind the cab could be either standard or 1st. Plus 1st can be positioned anywhere in the unit

The GE Class 360s have a small first class seating area behind both cabs so the vehicle seem had to be a driving cab. No intermediate vehicles have 1st Class in them.

 

[MML]

The GE Class 360s have a small first class seating area behind both cabs so the vehicle seem had to be a driving cab. No intermediate vehicles have 1st Class in them.

Do we know how the unit's are to be configured by EMR ?
I presume one of the 4 carriages will be dedicated to first class rather than the current 8 seats squashed behind each cab.
That would provide 2 first class carriages per 8-car unit and 3 per 12-car unit which seems about the right ratio for a longer distance commute.

 

[yorkie]

Just a gentle reminder this thread is to discuss EMR Class 360s

If anyone wishes to discuss anything else, please create a new thread (if there isn't already an existing thread)

Thanks.

 

[Railperf]

Thanks for that.

From posts upthread, the increase from 100 to 110 is achieved, in the case of 360s, by changes to the motors rather than re-gearing. Re-gearing to increase maximum speed reduces acceleration rates because the power is unchanged but I'm not sure whether the motor alteration adds to the top speed by extra power and so does not affect the acceleration. I'm just interested; if the acceleration is reduced (and I accept that it might not be), whether the extra 10 mph over one section (which includes the Wellingborough stop) saves more time than the penalty of slower acceleration away from calling points (I make that 5 starts, 6 if St Albans is served).
I accept that, once St P -Bedford becomes 110, the advantage will lie with the higher speed.

Class 350s modified for 110mph have the same acceleration rate as the original 100mph versions.
They were not regeared.
The 360 mods will be the same.

 

[43096]

The moves from/to Northampton for this weekend show as cancelled, so presumably 360106 remains there.

 

[Alfie1014]

I presume one of the 4 carriages will be dedicated to first class rather than the current 8 seats squashed behind each cab.
That would provide 2 first class carriages per 8-car unit and 3 per 12-car unit which seems about the right ratio for a longer distance commute.

The irony in that statement is that the routes they are currently on (Clacton 90 minutes and Ipswich stopping 80minutes) are longer than the ones they are going to be on!

 

[LowLevel]

The irony in that statement is that the routes they are currently on (Clacton 90 minutes and Ipswich stopping 80minutes) are longer than the ones they are going to be on!

Albeit providing different functions - the likes of Kettering and Wellingborough have 'intercity' fares which are much more expensive than neighbouring Northampton on the WCML so the standard of rolling stock has to be considered as I doubt they will be planning fare cuts.

 

[Merle Haggard]

The irony in that statement is that the routes they are currently on (Clacton 90 minutes and Ipswich stopping 80minutes) are longer than the ones they are going to be on!

Clacton mp 69m 56ch, Ipswich 68m70ch versus Kettering mp 72m 01ch and Corby mp 79m40ch.


mp - mile post (distance from London termini)

Edited to correct typo

 

[edwin_m]

Clacton mp 69m 56ch, Ipswich 68m70ch versus Kettering mp 72m 01ch and Corby mp 70m40ch.


mp - mile post (distance from London termini)

I think you have a typo for Corby - probably 79m40ch.

 

[Merle Haggard]

I think you have a typo for Corby - probably 79m40ch.

Indeed, thanks - Edited. I'm using m.p.s from the very useful Track Atlas. I think MML m.p.s are from the 'stops under the clock at St. Pancras, so slightly too great for present layout

 

[edwin_m]

Indeed, thanks - Edited. I'm using m.p.s from the very useful Track Atlas. I think MML m.p.s are from the 'stops under the clock at St. Pancras, so slightly too great for present layout

Yes, I believe the current platform starter signals are nearly at the old quarter milepost.

 

[MML]

It's certainly going to be interesting how the layout of each standard 4 car unit, multiplies and duplicates resources compared to a fixed formation of 5 or 7 coaches.
I imagine each unit will be equipped with a disabled toilet and seating, 2 cycle spaces which takes up space, and then you need luggage racks similar to the 700s for airport passengers.

 

[swt_passenger]

It's certainly going to be interesting how the layout of each standard 4 car unit, multiplies and duplicates resources compared to a fixed formation of 5 or 7 coaches.
I imagine each unit will be equipped with a disabled toilet and seating, 2 cycle spaces which takes up space, and then you need luggage racks similar to the 700s for airport passengers.

I can’t really see a whole First coach on a four car EMU, as suggested a few posts back. Is there any sort of precedent for that at all, looking across the whole fleet of four car Desiros or Electrostars, or similar equivalents?