How much longer will social distancing go on for in the UK?

[Freightmaster]

Is it possible that the threat of Covid 19 to the general population has been somewhat overstated?

Absolutely!

If you are under 75 and in reasonable health (in particular not morbidly obese!),
the current risks from Covid19 are almost laughably insignificant...






MARK

 

[talldave]

Ah, yes that will be it!
Edit: mind you, it's hospital admissions that are actually important, and they remain at around 100.

The number "in hospital" only went up by 13, so why are the admissions important?

 

[trebor79]

The number "in hospital" only went up by 13, so why are the admissions important?

I suppose either measure is good. If admissions stays static, so will the number in hospital.

 

[talldave]

I suppose either measure is good. If admissions stays static, so will the number in hospital.

But cherry picking numbers is how Project Fear works. A 100+ number for hospital admissions becomes 700 a week in the reader's mind, which conjures up thoughts of NHS overload. Admissions 100, deaths 10, discharges 77 gives a more realistic view.

 

[trebor79]

But cherry picking numbers is how Project Fear works. A 100+ number for hospital admissions becomes 700 a week in the reader's mind, which conjures up thoughts of NHS overload. Admissions 100, deaths 10, discharges 77 gives a more realistic view.

Yes, I guess that's a better way of looking at it.

 

[Vespa]

Please! If you are going to make comparisons, compare rural areas of Sweden with rural areas of Britain. If you are going to make urban comparisons, then look at Stockholm and cities in Britain.

And I did look into it.
Low population density is part of it, Sweden also had the highest numbers of single households who are more likely to obey Covid rules reducing transmission rate.

 

[takno]

And I did look into it.
Low population density is part of it, Sweden also had the highest numbers of single households who are more likely to obey Covid rules reducing transmission rate.

The numbers of single person households is less than 10% higher, and if anything they are less likely to obey the rules. If you're still depending on all the desperate weak reasons for claiming Sweden sucks from 3 months ago you should probably get an update - most of the sources that were peddling that rubbish have gone pretty quiet

 

[Vespa]

The numbers of single person households is less than 10% higher, and if anything they are less likely to obey the rules. If you're still depending on all the desperate weak reasons for claiming Sweden sucks from 3 months ago you should probably get an update - most of the sources that were peddling that rubbish have gone pretty quiet

Then give me credible links to a more updated information to back your assertions.

 

[takno]

Then give me credible links to a more updates information.

There's lots of stuff already linked on here, particularly on the dedicated thread on Sweden. If you need me to provide links then you are clearly not reading widely enough on the subject.

 

[C J Snarzell]

There is a grading system of 1-5 which I spoke about previously. This was used on the Downing Street press briefings.

When the PM put the country on lockdown we were at the high end of level 4, almost in level 5. For the country to go back to a pre-March way of life the grading has to be in level 1.

The last I heard was that the UK was still at level 3. Can anyone confirm this?

CJ

 

[Class 33]

The last Alert Level Chart I saw, mentioned that when we get to Alert Level 2 there will be minimal or NO social distancing. But the government hasn't stated the precise criteria of us going down to Alert Level 2. The deaths are now incredibly low, but they still consider the numbers of new cases to be too high I expect.

 

[Richard Scott]

The last Alert Level Chart I saw, mentioned that when we get to Alert Level 2 there will be minimal or NO social distancing. But the government hasn't stated the precise criteria of us going down to Alert Level 2. The deaths are now incredibly low, but they still consider the numbers of new cases to be too high I expect.

It is ridiculous, surely it's deaths they should be concerned with and they are incredibly low. It doesn't matter how many people get the virus if it isn't causing serious problems. Otherwise we may as well lock down when a big round of colds comes around. The politicians really have totally lost the plot and aren't listening to reasoned arguments about this. I do worry what will happen when it's pushed too far and people say enough to is enough.

 

[Huntergreed]

It is ridiculous, surely it's deaths they should be concerned with and they are incredibly low. It doesn't matter how many people get the virus if it isn't causing serious problems. Otherwise we may as well lock down when a big round of colds comes around. The politicians really have totally lost the plot and aren't listening to reasoned arguments about this. I do worry what will happen when it's pushed too far and people say enough to is enough.

I notice that there’s a small but growing number of people who are getting sick of restrictions. The comments sections of news articles has actually shifted entirely to I would say a majority anti-restriction. It’s reassuring to see, people are starting to grow sick of this and compliance is absolutely starting to fall, I think this may be the tipping point we need.

 

[brad465]

I notice that there’s a small but growing number of people who are getting sick of restrictions. The comments sections of news articles has actually shifted entirely to I would say a majority anti-restriction. It’s reassuring to see, people are starting to grow sick of this and compliance is absolutely starting to fall, I think this may be the tipping point we need.

Yes I've seen similar, I think a combination of the Q2 Economic data and the fact deaths are now very low (probably helped by the revised definition for only counting before 28 days) are making people wonder.

 

[Richard Scott]

I notice that there’s a small but growing number of people who are getting sick of restrictions. The comments sections of news articles has actually shifted entirely to I would say a majority anti-restriction. It’s reassuring to see, people are starting to grow sick of this and compliance is absolutely starting to fall, I think this may be the tipping point we need.

Let's hope frustration is released by non-compliance in a sensible way, my worry is pent up frustration in some people may lead to mass disobedience, which is when many suffer e.g. illegal raves, riots etc. Am I being over the top, time will tell?

 

[scotrail158713]

It is ridiculous, surely it's deaths they should be concerned with and they are incredibly low. It doesn't matter how many people get the virus if it isn't causing serious problems. Otherwise we may as well lock down when a big round of colds comes around. The politicians really have totally lost the plot and aren't listening to reasoned arguments about this. I do worry what will happen when it's pushed too far and people say enough to is enough.

Absolutely. The statistics I look at all show a general trend of hospital admissions decreasing. That’s the bit that matters - and was supposedly the reason we went into lockdown. We didn't want to overrun the NHS, something I believe was successful.
At the end of the day, if most people test positive and they just feel rubbish for a week, that doesn’t really cause any issues. It’s certainly not a reason to lockdown the country.

I notice that there’s a small but growing number of people who are getting sick of restrictions. The comments sections of news articles has actually shifted entirely to I would say a majority anti-restriction. It’s reassuring to see, people are starting to grow sick of this and compliance is absolutely starting to fall, I think this may be the tipping point we need.

That’s something I’ve started to notice recently as well. It’s definitely a move in the right direction - long may it continue, and grow.

Let's hope frustration is released by non-compliance in a sensible way, my worry is pent up frustration in some people may lead to mass disobedience, which is when many suffer e.g. illegal raves, riots etc. Am I being over the top, time will tell?

Completely agree

 

[Vespa]

The numbers of single person households is less than 10% higher, and if anything they are less likely to obey the rules. If you're still depending on all the desperate weak reasons for claiming Sweden sucks from 3 months ago you should probably get an update - most of the sources that were peddling that rubbish have gone pretty quiet

I certainly looked into it a bit more than you by the looks of it.

All you're offering is opinion with no links to support it.

 

[Bantamzen]

Let's hope frustration is released by non-compliance in a sensible way, my worry is pent up frustration in some people may lead to mass disobedience, which is when many suffer e.g. illegal raves, riots etc. Am I being over the top, time will tell?

What is it about Britain's new found fascination with raves? Actually why is it that we (as a society) need someone to blame? It started off trying to blame people going to the beach, but that didn't work. Then it was people going to the pub. Hmmm, still no sign of the dreaded second wave. So now its raves, or schoolchildren. Next week it will be office workers, or people buying Marmite (bleh) on the second Tuesday of the month. Can't we just accept that viruses happen, and that one group or another are not to blame? Even if we all hid behind our sofas for the next 6 months, the virus would just hang around patiently until we emerged again (New Zealand take note).

BTW this isn't a go at you, I'm just venting my growing frustrations with the whole situation.

 

[Richard Scott]

What is it about Britain's new found fascination with raves? Actually why is it that we (as a society) need someone to blame? It started off trying to blame people going to the beach, but that didn't work. Then it was people going to the pub. Hmmm, still no sign of the dreaded second wave. So now its raves, or schoolchildren. Next week it will be office workers, or people buying Marmite (bleh) on the second Tuesday of the month. Can't we just accept that viruses happen, and that one group or another are not to blame? Even if we all hid behind our sofas for the next 6 months, the virus would just hang around patiently until we emerged again (New Zealand take note).

BTW this isn't a go at you, I'm just venting my growing frustrations with the whole situation.

Was just picking a scenario, and did state illegal raves, as these are large gatherings of people that do have an effect on others be it noise, rubbish, criminal damage. I have no issue with organised legal raves/gatherings as lots of people enjoy them.
I think a number of us are frustrated and this was my concern, if we get large groups of people they behave very differently to one or two individuals, my worry was ending up with criminal behaviour/riots for example. Like I said I may be over the top with this and hope I'm wrong.....

 

[Scrotnig]

I notice that there’s a small but growing number of people who are getting sick of restrictions. The comments sections of news articles has actually shifted entirely to I would say a majority anti-restriction. It’s reassuring to see, people are starting to grow sick of this and compliance is absolutely starting to fall, I think this may be the tipping point we need.

Agreed but there are still plenty of 'Facebook Furloughs' screaming for total lockdown with the army on the streets because it's "better than dying on a ventilator hun". These people aren't going to go away, and sadly as I've said since the start, it seems someone has told the government that such people represent public opinion, because so many policies seem to be a reaction to what these people demand.

What is it about Britain's new found fascination with raves? Actually why is it that we (as a society) need someone to blame? It started off trying to blame people going to the beach, but that didn't work. Then it was people going to the pub. Hmmm, still no sign of the dreaded second wave. So now its raves, or schoolchildren. Next week it will be office workers, or people buying Marmite (bleh) on the second Tuesday of the month. Can't we just accept that viruses happen, and that one group or another are not to blame? Even if we all hid behind our sofas for the next 6 months, the virus would just hang around patiently until we emerged again (New Zealand take note).

BTW this isn't a go at you, I'm just venting my growing frustrations with the whole situation.

Raves have historically been seen as 'the young defying the government', which is why they got clamped down on so much in the nineties when they last became a thing.

If we tell young people (or any group) that all the activities they enjoy doing are banned indefinitely, we cannot be surprised if they take matters into their own hands.

Of course, this then plays entirely into the government's hands by providing 'examples of what will happen if you don't do as we tell you' and also 'someone to blame when required'.

 

[DB]

I certainly looked into it a bit more than you by the looks of it.

All you're offering is opinion with no links to support it.

We have been through all this already. Please read back through the threads on here and you will find plenty of links to supporting evidence.

 

[LAX54]

Absolutely!

If you are under 75 and in reasonable health (in particular not morbidly obese!),
the current risks from Covid19 are almost laughably insignificant...






MARK

Have the Government now not admitted that unless you are suffering from a serious illness already, or are on the 'very old' bracket, there is is a infintisamal chance of dieing ! whereby you maybe ill, it will be no more that a bad case of flu. meanwhile other deaths from illnesses seem to increase and jobs in a spiral resulting in more illness / depression etc we need to bite the bullet and say enough is enough, we need to get back to (and the rest of the world) to normal sooner rather than later

 

[takno]

We have been through all this already. Please read back through the threads on here and you will find plenty of links to supporting evidence.

He's just trolling. Makes a number of completely unevidenced claims of his own, and when you make a reply in the same format demands to see "evidence". Not worth the effort

 

[brad465]

New from Germany seems that their population is starting to have enough of Covid-19 restrictions, with 18,000 apparently gathering in Berlin to protest:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-53957452 (there's no proper article yet it only shows up in the live feed)

While this isn't the UK, it could foreshadow an increase in discontent for social distancing and other restrictions here soon (18,000 sounds like the largest gathering I've heard anywhere in Europe to date for this issue).

 

[43066]

New from Germany seems that their population is starting to have enough of Covid-19 restrictions, with 18,000 apparently gathering in Berlin to protest:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-53957452 (there's no proper article yet it only shows up in the live feed)

While this isn't the UK, it could foreshadow an increase in discontent for social distancing and other restrictions here soon (18,000 sounds like the largest gathering I've heard anywhere in Europe to date for this issue).

I’ve never been to any kind of protest in my life, but I’m rapidly approaching the point where I would attend something like this if it was held in the UK.

 

[Yew]

I’ve never been to any kind of protest in my life, but I’m rapidly approaching the point where I would attend something like this if it was held in the UK.

Same, though I'd want assurances that there wouldn't be any anti-vaxxers or far-right groups coming along.

 

[Huntergreed]

Same, though I'd want assurances that there wouldn't be any anti-vaxxers or far-right groups coming along.

I’ve never been to any kind of protest in my life, but I’m rapidly approaching the point where I would attend something like this if it was held in the UK.

There is one in London today I see, quite a sizeable turnout too from what I’ve seen on social media.

 

[43066]

Same, though I'd want assurances that there wouldn't be any anti-vaxxers or far-right groups coming along.

Yep, that would be my concern too!

 

[brad465]

Same, though I'd want assurances that there wouldn't be any anti-vaxxers or far-right groups coming along.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not sure far-right groups would be so interested in this particular issue (unless they are in the mood to pick fights); if anything some of them might actually support the demonstrations as there are folk on the right against such measures.

 

[Scrotnig]

Same, though I'd want assurances that there wouldn't be any anti-vaxxers or far-right groups coming along.

Yep, that would be my concern too!

Mine too!

I’m not interested in anti-vaccination stuff, nor am I interested in how it’s all the fault of foreigners or whatever.

And that’s the problem. These protests usually have one of the above two agendas behind them, sadly.