2020 US Presidential Election

[Whistler40145]

He's about to lose Pennsylvania, possibly Georgia, probably Nevada and Arizona and with all that, the entire presidency. Whatever he does now makes little odds. I doubt even the conservative SCOTUS would make a decision in his favour as his lack of any consistent approach across states that are still counting indicates he's just desperate. and flailing.

This afternoon is going to be popcorn viewing.

Possibly a divorce on the cards too?

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All the hallmarks of a dictator......

Assuming you meant not taking no for an answer.

Apologies for my incorrect grammar

 

[AM9]

He's about to lose Pennsylvania, possibly Georgia, probably Nevada and Arizona and with all that, the entire presidency. Whatever he does now makes little odds. I doubt even the conservative SCOTUS would make a decision in his favour as his lack of any consistent approach across states that are still counting indicates he's just desperate. and flailing.

This afternoon is going to be popcorn viewing.

I wonder if when it is clear that all of his attempts to reverse the result of the election have failed, will he just disappear from the White House, (probably hiding in one of his many resorts). That would be his way to avoid acknowledging his defeat in public.

 

[nlogax]

Possibly a divorce on the cards too?

If you believe the rumours.

 

[Whistler40145]

If you believe the rumours.

I shall sit on the fence and wait for events to start unravelling, possibly at a fast pace

 

[jfollows]

He's about to lose Pennsylvania

CNN predicts of the order of 100,000 more votes for Biden from Philadelphia County alone, where he's currently polling 80% of the vote. Given that he's only 164,000 votes behind Trump in the current tally, this is going to make a big inroad into that deficit, and the trend will continue.

EDIT - Biden deficit now down to some 142,000

EDIT - correct the name of the county!

 

[Whistler40145]

Did Trump automatically assume that he was going to win a second term?

 

[baz962]

Did Trump automatically assume that he was going to win a second term?

Apparently very rare for a sitting president to lose and not get a second term. Plus his ego . Probably he believes he is the best president ever to have served.

 

[Whistler40145]

Apparently very rare for a sitting president to lose and not get a second term. Plus his ego . Probably he believes he is the best president ever to have served.

The words of the election being a fraud and the manner in which it came over was like Billy Graham preaching to a mass audience

 

[nlogax]

The words of the election being a fraud and the manner in which it came over was like Billy Graham preaching to a mass audience

Indeed. If anything hardened Trump supporters now resemble a cult. Facts, science, maths..they don't believe in any of it.

 

[DynamicSpirit]

Yes, all this talk of Trump getting more votes that in 2016. As a proportion of many more votes cast on both sides, is his share in the popular vote any better than last time?

Actually, yes it is. In 2016, the share of the vote was: Clinton 48.2%, Trump 46.1% (with the remaining going to minor candidates). This time round, it's currently Biden 50.4%, Trump 47.8%. Obviously those figures will change as more results come in, but not by much.

 

[AshBod]

I'd noted that when I was failing to get some numbers to add up - Hawaii (1), Washington (4) and Texas (2) in 2016. I'd hope that they were only "faithless" because it didn't matter and didn't make a difference to the outcome of their collective vote, and that they probably wouldn't do so if that weren't the case now, but there's no guarantee is there?

I think a small Republican contingent were trying to get the numbers so Trump couldn't take the presidency, they couldn't get near enough numbers! Not sure why the Democrats electoral college votes moved. Yeah with the US system there isn't any guarantee of anything happening or not haha! Not sure if its ever happened where its made a difference to any result.

 

[Whistler40145]

What amazes me is that unlike here in the UK, Donald Trump hasn't held office or been a Senetor or Congressman, nor does he appear to visit the Capitol for any reason

 

[AshBod]

What amazes me is that unlike here in the UK, Donald Trump hasn't held office or been a Senetor or Congressman, nor does he appear to visit the Capitol for any reason

I'm definitely not a Trump fan but I guess that is democracy and its good that someone can be voted in who isn't a career politician. Would have been better if he was less of a maniac though.

 

[bspahh]

Possibly a divorce on the cards too?

Trump has borrowed $340m from Deutsche Bank. At the moment he only has to pay the interest, but the capital is due to be repaid in a couple of years. This story says they would like to break their links with him before then.

Exclusive: Tired of Trump, Deutsche Bank games ways to sever ties with the president - sources

Deutsche Bank AG <DBKGn.DE> is looking for ways to end its relationship with President Donald Trump after the U.S. elections, as it tires of the negative publicity stemming from the ties, according to three senior bank officials with direct knowledge of the matter.

www.reuters.com

Running hotels and golf courses might not be the best business to be in, during a global pandemic.

 

[Trackman]

from Sky News about an 'Major announcement' at 4.30pm.
Indeed popcorn time..

Trump campaign to make 'major announcement'
Donald Trump's campaign says it will make a "major announcement" later.
Former director of national intelligence Ric Grenell, former Nevada attorney general Adam Laxalt, chairman of the American Conservative Union Matt Schlapp and Nevada GOP Chair Michael McDonald will host a press conference in Las Vegas, Nevada, at 8.30am PST (4.30pm UK time).
It is not known what will be said, but Mr Trump has made unsubstantiated claims of "major fraud" and says he'll go to the Supreme Court over the election.
His campaign has launched legal challenges in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Georgia and asked for a recount in Wisconsin.

 

[nlogax]

from Sky News about an 'Major announcement' at 4.30pm.

It's just another legal bid I think. As seen on Twitter,

"Trump campaign plans to announce that it is filing a lawsuit that seeks to count every "legal" vote in Nevada. They are alleging that at least 10,000 people voted in the state, despite no longer living there."

 

[Tin Rocket]

Apparently very rare for a sitting president to lose and not get a second term. Plus his ego . Probably he believes he is the best president ever to have served.

Bush senior was the last one term President after Clinton beat him I think,that's going back a bit.

 

[High Dyke]

I don't care for politics in this country (England), and have even less interest in events across the Atlantic ocean. However, it comes across to me as though Trump is a sore loser! Next he'll be taking his ball home and not wanting to play anymore.

 

[ainsworth74]

Bush senior was the last one term President after Clinton beat him I think,that's going back a bit.

Yes Bush senior in 1992 was the last president not to get a second term. Before him there was Carter who failed to get one in 1980. Ford didn't win re-election either in 1976 (beaten by Carter) but depends on your point of view really as to whether it counts in the same way as the others as he was seeing out Nixon's second term after the Watergate scandal exploded in 1974 and Nixon resigned. Truman, after seeing out the end of FDRs forth(!) term served one term of his own but didn't choose to run again so was a one and a bit term president. Prior to FDR it's much messier and there's quite a lot of one term presidencies for various reasons.

 

[DarloRich]

I note team Trump have doubled down on the baseless fraud accusations.

 

[AM9]

I note team Trump have doubled down on the baseless fraud accusations.

So even if we promote these 'accusations' to 'allegations', how is it going to get into court without any evidence?

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Yes Bush senior in 1992 was the last president not to get a second term. Before him there was Carter who failed to get one in 1980. Ford didn't win re-election either in 1976 (beaten by Carter) but depends on your point of view really as to whether it counts in the same way as the others as he was seeing out Nixon's second term after the Watergate scandal exploded in 1974 and Nixon resigned. Truman, after seeing out the end of FDRs forth(!) term served one term of his own but didn't choose to run again so was a one and a bit term president. Prior to FDR it's much messier and there's quite a lot of one term presidencies for various reasons.

Though assuming a Biden win, I believe he's already said (or hinted) that he won't seek re-election in 2024... so it seems one-term-presidents are like very slow buses!

 

[LittleAH]

I'm definitely not a Trump fan but I guess that is democracy and its good that someone can be voted in who isn't a career politician. Would have been better if he was less of a maniac though.

On the flip side, the only way to get voted in is due to money, which makes a mockery of the democracy they represent.

 

[Whistler40145]

So even if we promote these 'accusations' to 'allegations', how is it going to get into court without any evidence?

I can just imagine some sniggering going on in the US Supreme Court at Trump thinking he can get voting stopped

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Though assuming a Biden win, I believe he's already said (or hinted) that he won't seek re-election in 2024... so it seems one-term-presidents are like very slow buses!

Won't he be in his 80s by then?

 

[jfollows]

CNN reports on Georgia that there are "61,367" uncounted ballots, and currently Trump has a lead of 18,586. If 65% of these uncounted ballots are for Biden, he gets an additional 30% of the number over Trump, which is mathematically 18,410, so enough to wipe out the deficit. DeKalb County, the city of Atlanta, is currently voting 83% for Biden. So there is a good chance that these uncounted ballots will turn out to be >65% for Biden. It's going to end up extremely close!

 

[Tin Rocket]

Yes Bush senior in 1992 was the last president not to get a second term. Before him there was Carter who failed to get one in 1980. Ford didn't win re-election either in 1976 (beaten by Carter) but depends on your point of view really as to whether it counts in the same way as the others as he was seeing out Nixon's second term after the Watergate scandal exploded in 1974 and Nixon resigned. Truman, after seeing out the end of FDRs forth(!) term served one term of his own but didn't choose to run again so was a one and a bit term president. Prior to FDR it's much messier and there's quite a lot of one term presidencies for various reasons.

Interestingly the 1960's and 70's didn't have a single president that served two full terms,a very tumultuous period of time.

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I can just imagine some sniggering going on in the US Supreme Court at Trump thinking he can get voting stopped

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Won't he be in his 80s by then?

I believe Mr Biden will start the presidency the same age as Ronald Reagan was when he finished!! assuming he wins that is.

 

[DarloRich]

So even if we promote these 'accusations' to 'allegations', how is it going to get into court without any evidence?

That doesn't matter. It is part of a disinformation campaign designed to undermine democracy and democratic institutions and aiming to discredit and perhaps invalidate the election.

 

[GB]

Counting has apparently stopped in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh due to legal challenges.

 

[DarloRich]

Counting has apparently stopped in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh due to legal challenges.

do you have a link to a reputable media outlet reporting that? The BBC are not reporting that at this stage. They are reporting that legal challenges have been submitted aiming to do that.

 

[GB]

reputable no, it was on Dailymail.