2020 US Presidential Election

[cactustwirly]

do you have a link to a reputable media outlet reporting that? The BBC are not reporting that at this stage. They are reporting that legal challenges have been submitted aiming to do that.

It's been reported on Sky News

 

[Scotrail314209]

Biden is closing in on Georgia now, 0.3% margin with only 14k votes seperating them both.

 

[overthewater]

Actually, yes it is. In 2016, the share of the vote was: Clinton 48.2%, Trump 46.1% (with the remaining going to minor candidates). This time round, it's currently Biden 50.4%, Trump 47.8%. Obviously those figures will change as more results come in, but not by much.

The way things are going he is going to be best loser of all time, It does look like he will get 268 compared to Biden 270. AS you say he share of the vote has gone up and he managed to get over 6million more votes, that is some achievement, even if he lost.

What I find strange is, there was no blue wave, Democrats for all they talk have lost house seats will have to wait till January to see if there can take the senate, I think they will found it rather hard to keep steady the ship.

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Biden is closing in on Georgia now, 0.3% margin with only 14k votes seperating them both.

98% is reporting is there 14k vote remaining to be counted?

 

[DynamicSpirit]

98% is reporting is there 14k vote remaining to be counted?

Yes, in Georgia it's somewhere around 60-70K votes remaining to be counted (out of 5M votes cast). Mainly mail-in votes from Democrat areas, so Biden stands a good chance. It's going to be incredibly close either way.

 

[nlogax]

Meanwhile Biden's Nevada lead is creeping up, almost at 12k now. We're in the final sprint for the 270..which will still last hours.

 

[DynamicSpirit]

The way things are going he is going to be best loser of all time, It does look like he will get 268 compared to Biden 270. AS you say he share of the vote has gone up and he managed to get over 6million more votes, that is some achievement, even if he lost.

I don't think it'll be that close. Biden looks almost certain to pick up Pennsylvania. If my maths is right, that gives him 273 EC votes even in the unlikely event that Trump takes everything else. With the strong likelihood that Biden takes Arizona and Nevada, he has 290 votes. Georgia would take that up to 306.

I'm almost at the point where I'm tempted to call the election for Biden, since I can't really see any plausible way that Trump can win, based on all the data we now have.

 

[YorkshireBear]

I don't think it'll be that close. Biden looks almost certain to pick up Pennsylvania. If my maths is right, that gives him 273 EC votes even in the unlikely event that Trump takes everything else. With the strong likelihood that Biden takes Arizona and Nevada, he has 290 votes. Georgia would take that up to 306.

I'm almost at the point where I'm tempted to call the election for Biden, since I can't really see any plausible way that Trump can win, based on all the data we now have.

Let's see if this stopping of counting in pensylvania is true before counting chickens.

 

[DarloRich]

It's been reported on Sky News

thanks - see below

Let's see if this stopping of counting in pensylvania is true before counting chickens.

BBC now report:

Ballot counting in Philadelphia has resumed amid a legal tug-of-war in Pennsylvania.

The tally was paused earlier to accomodate a court order saying that Trump campaign observers must be allowed to stand within six feet of officials counting and reviewing ballots.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-us-2020-54786937

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

BBC updates have just reported that the count stopped in Philidelphia was due to a court order permitting Republican officials to stand within 6ft of the counters to observe proceedings, and counting has now resumed. Not sure how happy Id be about someone breathing over my neck with Covid.

 

[DarloRich]

Not sure how happy Id be about someone breathing over my neck with Covid.

that is all part of the Trump game.

 

[jfollows]

Yes, in Georgia it's somewhere around 60-70K votes remaining to be counted (out of 5M votes cast). Mainly mail-in votes from Democrat areas, so Biden stands a good chance. It's going to be incredibly close either way.

It's moving all the time of course, latest CNN report 50,401 uncounted votes and 14,100 lead for Trump.

Out of 50,401, if
Biden wins 64% 32,257
Trump wins 36% 18,144
then
Biden wins by 12 votes

All very possible

EDIT - since the number of uncounted votes decreased from 61,367 to 50,401, a decrease of 11,166, the votes were tallied to:
Biden 7,826 - 70%
Trump 3,340 - 30%

so a continuation of winning these votes by 70% will be more than enough to win the state of Georgia for the Democrats, by almost exactly 1,000 votes. I presume Georgia legislation will allow an inevitable recount request from Trump if so.

EDIT - 9pm BBC World Service reporting other media outlets indicating potential for Democratic win by as few as 1,000 votes. If it ends up as small a majority as that, I'd expect a lot of attempts to subvert or overturn it.

 

[Tin Rocket]

BBC updates have just reported that the count stopped in Philidelphia was due to a court order permitting Republican officials to stand within 6ft of the counters to observe proceedings, and counting has now resumed. Not sure how happy Id be about someone breathing over my neck with Covid.

Doesn't that encroach the covid 19 social distancing rules?

 

[JonasB]

Bush senior was the last one term President after Clinton beat him I think,that's going back a bit.

And he handled it in a much more mature way than Trump.

 

[Darandio]

Doesn't that encroach the covid 19 social distancing rules?

Depends whose rules. A quick glance at Philadelphia suggests their advice is just to keep distance, no determined figure.

 

[overthewater]

And he handled it in a much more mature way than Trump.

He's team still blame Ross Perot, Strangely that is also the first of 3 elections where not even the winning candidate won the popular vote. Even back end countries make sure they got over 50% vote.

 

[Cowley]

If all these claims of voter fraud being thrown around by Trump while the counting is still going on prove to be the baseless misinformation that they seem. Is there any recourse to legal action after all of this for him trying to bring the American election system into disrepute? Or is he allowed to say what he wants in USA law?

 

[jfollows]

Pennsylvania: "550K" uncounted votes to be processed, Trump leads by 114,011, if Biden takes 60% (roughly) or more of the uncounted votes then this will be enough to catch up and overtake Trump. Given the location of the uncounted votes this seems very possible.

 

[birchesgreen]

And he handled it in a much more mature way than Trump.

An eight year old would probably handle it in a more mature way than Trump.

 

[jfollows]

With Pennsylvania and Georgia (and Arizona and Nevada), Biden would end up with 306 electoral college votes versus 232 for Trump, which would pretty much reverse the 2016 result (227, 304 & 7 faithless electors).

 

[dgl]

One worry they mentioned on the radio earlier is that Trump supporters are more likely to be armed and may try to "make sure" Trump remains president whatever happens.

On a lighter note,

 

[DynamicSpirit]

And on another lighter note, a reminder how how this compares with election results in a mature democracy like the UK....

 

[dgl]

Another interesting BBC interview

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-us-2020-54786937?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5fa455b649467302d61cf28f%26WATCH%3A%20%27What%20do%20you%20mean%3F%20They%27re%20still%20counting%20the%20votes%27%262020-11-05T19%3A42%3A47.647Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:a2602b96-0bf1-4e55-9334-40c578eddc1c&pinned_post_asset_id=5fa455b649467302d61cf28f&pinned_post_type=share

The Trump campaign has vowed to challenge the counting process in the battleground states that hold the keys to the US election results - but his supporters themselves seem confused about what has been actually happening on the ground.

Here, Republican Randi Reed clashes with Emily Maitlis over her claims about vote counts being stopped.

And you wonder why people detest Trump supporters, talk about delusional.

 

[Whistler40145]

US election results live: Biden's victory speech message to Trump supporters: 'Let's give each other a chance'

Latest updates on the US election as Joe Biden is declared the winner - meaning that in 75 days President Donald Trump will leave the White House for the final time.

news.sky.com

 

[Scotrail314209]

US election results live: Biden's victory speech message to Trump supporters: 'Let's give each other a chance'

Latest updates on the US election as Joe Biden is declared the winner - meaning that in 75 days President Donald Trump will leave the White House for the final time.

news.sky.com

Looks like all the judges are telling him to do one.

 

[Whistler40145]

Looks like all the judges are telling him to do one.

Are you surprised, they're probably thinking how much more garbage is Trump going to come out with.

 

[brad465]

This must at least be up there among the best Trump trolling to date:

https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1324439705522524162

(Donald Trump sent a tweet last year with the exact same text but with Greta's name in place)

 

[edwin_m]

He's team still blame Ross Perot, Strangely that is also the first of 3 elections where not even the winning candidate won the popular vote. Even back end countries make sure they got over 50% vote.

Clinton in 1996 got 49.2% so won the popular vote by having the largest number of votes. What you mean is that he didn't get an overall majority of votes, just like the winning party in virtually every UK election. Bush in 2000, like Trump in 2016, didn't win the most votes but won via the Electoral College (with a little help from the Supreme Court in the case of Bush).

Let's see if this stopping of counting in pensylvania is true before counting chickens.

Do the chickens get a vote now? Does that include the chlorinated ones?

 

[GRALISTAIR]

As a glass is half full person - this is over. I will show my a--- in Marks and Spencers in Preston at Xmas if Trump pulls this off.

Bigger question now is the run offs in GA for Senate. If Republicans control the Senate, that will be a checks and balances thing - particularly with judicial appointments.

Trump will not concede with dignity. It is just not in his nature - or in his nature if you prefer. Frog and Scorpion The Crying Game.

 

[Chester1]

As a glass is half full person - this is over. I will show my a--- in Marks and Spencers in Preston at Xmas if Trump pulls this off.

Bigger question now is the run offs in GA for Senate. If Republicans control the Senate, that will be a checks and balances thing - particularly with judicial appointments.

Trump will not concede with dignity. It is just not in his nature - or in his nature if you prefer. Frog and Scorpion The Crying Game.

It does look like 49-49 with a double run off vote in Georgia is looking likely. That or 48-50. Assuming Biden wins then if the Democrats win the Georgia runoff elections they would have a defacto majority with 50-50 with Harris casting the deciding vote. Its still a poor result for the Democrats, along with their majority shrinking in the House of Representatives.

 

[Whistler40145]

If Biden wins, what happens if Trump refuses to leave the White House?

Can he be forced out by the military?