Well the police still do need an excuse to smash someone's head in.Are the police trying to incite people into protesting? It sure looks like it.
They won't be.
The force has defended them on Twitter and refuses to answer questions.
If anyone lives in the relevant area, it would be useful if they could contact their MP.
Well as someone elsewhere has said, they haven't had (and in many part still haven't) got football fans to get their kicks from. So they need to burn of that anger that some of them seem to have off on someone, so walkers in the middle of nowhere & pub landlords must seem fair game, especially when the Eatonian twits at the top are handing them ever more powers.Are the police trying to incite people into protesting? It sure looks like it.
Oh this is so true. I have sadly had two occasions when I have had to interact with the Police following a burglary, and one where my mates & I were attacked. On the first burglary the officers that eventually showed up (many hours later) seemed very bored and disinterested, so when I was robbed for a second time having initially failed to get them to respond I rang back & old them I thought they might still be in my property & drugs might be involved (to be fair this was partially true, as I'm sure I heard something after the first call but didn't feel up to checking the cellar where they had broken in). Within 5 minutes 4 officers and a dog turned up, so clearly the prospect of a collar feeling was more attractive to them.The problem is that this sort of thing really causes the population to lose respect for the police. Being brutally honest, most people are already lukewarm at best, especially anyone who’s for example been on the receiving end of a domestic burglary and found the police to be laxadaisical at best, which will be most people’s typical experience of the police.
A slippery slope.
Anecodtally I would agree that there is a greater interest when there is potential reward.Oh this is so true. I have sadly had two occasions when I have had to interact with the Police following a burglary, and one where my mates & I were attacked. On the first burglary the officers that eventually showed up (many hours later) seemed very bored and disinterested, so when I was robbed for a second time having initially failed to get them to respond I rang back & old them I thought they might still be in my property & drugs might be involved (to be fair this was partially true, as I'm sure I heard something after the first call but didn't feel up to checking the cellar where they had broken in). Within 5 minutes 4 officers and a dog turned up, so clearly the prospect of a collar feeling was more attractive to them.
Correct me if i am wrong, but if the customer is not drinking alcohol then surely they are entitled to stay as long as they please?Oh what a surprise.
There are now reports of "overzealous" police visiting pubs and telling people to leave directly after finishing their food, despite their being nothing in the regulations to this effect. They have also being arguing with landlords about whether Scotch Eggs constitute a substantial meal.
'Overzealous' police patrol pubs and argue with landlords over Scotch eggs
Officers asked customers to leave after eating despite guidelines to only enforce rules as a 'last resort'www.telegraph.co.uk
The force is carrying out high-visibility patrols along the force borders to discourage people from neighbouring Tier 3 locations, including places like Stamford Bridge and Pocklington, from travelling into the area which increases the risk of infection.
And now this from North Yorkshire Police saying they will take action against those coming from Tier 3 areas to North Yorkshire & York (which are in Tier 2). Erm, not sure how as travelling to and from a Tier 3 area for non essentials is advised against, it is not illegal.
I can see a number of people caught up in this contesting any prosecutions.
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I agree that the police are there to enforce the law and not enforce advice. It most certainly would be interesting to know what ‘action’ the police propose.I wonder what “action” they propose to take? Bully people in the form of a lecture (from someone who doesn’t have a science background and therefore isn’t really qualified to be giving epidemiology advice)?
I agree, but sadly (From @Crossover's link above) Mike Walker goes much further than this:I agree that the police are there to enforce the law and not enforce advice. It most certainly would be interesting to know what ‘action’ the police propose.
I think Mike Walker is out of control and needs to be called to account.“It is our responsibility to keep the public of North Yorkshire safe, and we take that responsibility incredibly seriously. It’s what every police officer and member of police staff come to work to do and quite rightly, what the public expect of us.
There is no legal restriction on travelling from one Tier to another, or within one Tiered area. There is no power under the regulations for police to stop cars. ...
"I would encourage residents to consult the relevant Government guidance for their area and ensure they are aware of what they can and can’t do."
Superintendent Mike Walker, North Yorkshire Police
Surely:
guidance = should and shouldn't do
law = can and can't
You're allowed to do so.Does anyone have any ideas of how to get round this stupidity? I’m considering driving to Church Fenton and getting the train into York tomorrow.
If the police continue down this dangerous path, sooner or later things are going to escalate.
I really don’t envy some of the situations that the police have to deal with in the course of their duties, I know it’s definitely not a job that I could do.The police are deluded if they think the majority of the population supports these actions.
Yes, the hysterical pro-lockdown authoritarians will be happy; they are a highly vocal group I'll give them that, but they are very much the minority.
If the police continue down this dangerous path, sooner or later things are going to escalate.
Correct me if i am wrong, but if the customer is not drinking alcohol then surely they are entitled to stay as long as they please?
Correct me if i am wrong, but if the customer is not drinking alcohol then surely they are entitled to stay as long as they please?
And as I said, will undoubtedly lead to people contesting any actions taken and clog up the courts.I really don’t envy some of the situations that the police have to deal with in the course of their duties, I know it’s definitely not a job that I could do.
This action though seems a very unnecessary one that is likely to put peoples backs up.
I wonder if the reality is that the police are actually just reminding people that their tier restrictions ‘follow’ them when moving from 3 to 2?
Or, more likely, many will simply want to avoid the aggravation and be put off travelling.And as I said, will undoubtedly lead to people contesting any actions taken and clog up the courts.
I can still see people going as far as contesting any charges (if any can be filed against them).Or, more likely, many will simply want to avoid the aggravation and be put off travelling.
I’m absolutely not doubting that people will rightly contest any charges.I can still see people going as far as contesting any charges (if any can be filed against them).
Precisely my point, but what Mike Walker is doing is pure bullying. They are supposed to act within the law and not beyond it.I’m absolutely not doubting that people will rightly contest any charges.
What I am saying though, is that it’s really unfair that some people will read that story and believe that they are either not ‘allowed’ to travel between tiers or decide not to make a journey (that in reality they have a right to make) simply to avoid potentially ending up in court.
For the avoidance of doubt, I’m not in any way condoning the actions of the police. As per my first post, the police should enforce the law, not guidance.
Police officers swear the following oath in England & Wales: (my bold)I used to respect the police as i believed they were for the majority not against them
The judge gave Corbyn an absolute discharge – meaning he will not be fined or face any further punishment – after hearing that he had spent 12 hours in custody after being arrested.
The judge gave Corbyn an absolute discharge – meaning he will not be fined or face any further punishment – after hearing that he had spent 12 hours in custody after being arrested.
Police officers swear the following oath in England & Wales: (my bold)
“I do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable, ...
Does that mean that each and every member of the Constabulary will have to swear a new allegiance in the event that Her Majesty is replaced by a male in due course and for whatever reason?