Entire 800/801/802 fleet stood down for safety checks

[800001]

800101 did Inverness to KGX and 1730 KGX-EDB, 800105 did 0648 Glasgow to KGX, 1430 KGX-EDB, 2000 EDB-NCL, think was 800209 on the Leeds, rest were 801s

800101 did 1E13 Inverness to Doncaster where it was removed from service.

 

[Rikki Lamb]

Any confirm on this ? Just seeing conjecture, gossip and rumour at the moment

From what I have been informed LSL are running Paddington to Plymouth with 8 coaches and Kings Cross to York with a similar length trains. GWR also be using 57s.

This comes from a group on Facebook for railway employees so whether it is froth and wibble is anyone's guess

 

[800001]

From what I have been informed LSL are running Paddington to Plymouth with 8 coaches and Kings Cross to York with a similar length trains. GWR also be using 57s.

This comes from a group on Facebook for railway employees so whether it is froth and wibble is anyone's guess

Lner side of it is absolute Wibble. Lner running a normal timetable tomorrow but with 10 cancellations, all formed of Azumas

 

[yorksrob]

Lner side of it is absolute Wibble. Lner running a normal timetable tomorrow but with 10 cancellations, all formed of Azumas

Is the one about the mk4 sets true ?

 

[Rikki Lamb]

Lner side of it is absolute Wibble. Lner running a normal timetable tomorrow but with 10 cancellations, all formed of Azumas

Possibly, from what I've read it indicated they would be in operation for the next 10 to 14 days. Interesting times whatever happens. LSL would be using 90s if is true.

 

[800001]

Is the one about the mk4 sets true ?

They are discussing bringing them back early. But nothing has been agreed

 

[chrish2]

If someone was planning a long distance journey such as that and hadn't checked anything at all prior to travelling they are completely irresponsible. That goes for any day.

I'm pretty savvy but for example on Friday I was travelling 200 miles, knew the timetable for the day and made a decision to stay an extra 2 hours for some much needed post work drinks. I did not check the status of the railway when I made the decision to change my plans and I assume many less savvy than myself would have done the same. If it was last train for the day etc I may have checked.

 

[LOL The Irony]

Any confirm on this ? Just seeing conjecture, gossip and rumour at the moment

Talk of

Never said it was confirmed.

 

[Iain Flynn]

History repeats itself. Early 90mph plus units such as Class 158 were plagued by yaw damper bracket fatigue problems and it's surprising that the 8xx designers didn't know about that and take it into account.

 

[Omnishambles]

If nothing else, I think you have the most appropriate name on here for this thread!

....and I stand proud of being a magnet for carnage, chaos and calamity during my time managing front-line Ops
I have had cause at times to shake my head at how poorly the train service is being managed when out and about but that’s just having the knowledge but not being in the thick of it

 

[55002]

800101 did 1E13 Inverness to Doncaster where it was removed from service.

Ah that makes sense

 

[Failed Unit]

Lner side of it is absolute Wibble. Lner running a normal timetable tomorrow but with 10 cancellations, all formed of Azumas

I guess they are fortunate (to a degree) the engineering work has thinned the service. Hopefully by Monday enough will be checked for normal service to resume. From loading on the services I have used recently 5 car is fine. (But not used a Edinburgh servic)

 

[talltim]

Somewhat academic when most of the service isn't running.



BR didn't run as many trains as the privatised railways does.

BR ran far more trains than the privatised railway does. Just many of them were freight.

 

[squizzler]

Ironically this debacle might do the railway some good by drawing a line under the whole Covid “don't travel” thing. Normal people being interviewed about their journey experience ought to shift the narrative back to comfortable and familiar territory of moaning about cancellations and delays, and show viewers at home that, yes, people like them are now using the train (usually) quite happily and safely.

 

[trebor79]

This is not looking good at all. Talk of hiring emergency fleets, at least 10-14 days before returning to service? I hope Hitachi have a fair few million down the back of the sofa.

The haste with which Mk4 and Mk3 vehicles have been sent to the cutters torch.
It does seem to be quite a recent phenomenon for withdrawn trains to be cut up pronto, whereas place like Long Marston have played host to trains that have sat withdrawn for many years in some cases. A more joined up process would have seen that stuff that has no doubt deteriorated beyond any sensible use cut and replaced with stuff that came out of service more recently.

 

[800001]

I guess they are fortunate (to a degree) the engineering work has thinned the service. Hopefully by Monday enough will be checked for normal service to resume. From loading on the services I have used recently 5 car is fine. (But not used a Edinburgh servic)

Still same amount of units running around even tho Kings Cross work ongoing. Passenger loadings are up to 270 people on some trains, which is more capacity than a 5 car is allowed in covid times

 

[Watershed]

This is not looking good at all. Talk of hiring emergency fleets, at least 10-14 days before returning to service? I hope Hitachi have a fair few million down the back of the sofa.

You're about right in terms of the order of magnitude of their losses - in lost 'lease' payments (with the original IEP contracts they simply don't get paid if they don't provide the trains) and other compensation.

 

[fgwrich]

Actually a /0 and a /1 have already been withdrawn from traffic after similar areas of concern have been found. Checks will be finished tomorrow and we’ll see if any more are affected.

I can’t say I’m that surprised, the design of the bolster appears to be the same on both fleets, so perhaps this is a design led issue than quality of the metal used?

I would be interested to know though if this recent development affects the vehicles with the traditional bogie design or the Lightweight (and horrendously riding) bogies - the Yaw Damper cracking was solely confined to the traditional bogied vehicles.

 

[Omnishambles]

Talk of

Never said it was confirmed.

Apologies, simple question and statement as to what was being said on here. With this and other social media sites you would expect all moves to Booths and Sims to be stopped and Ely to be cleared of stuff back in to traffic !!

 

[Peter Sarf]

The haste with which Mk4 and Mk3 vehicles have been sent to the cutters torch.
It does seem to be quite a recent phenomenon for withdrawn trains to be cut up pronto, whereas place like Long Marston have played host to trains that have sat withdrawn for many years in some cases. A more joined up process would have seen that stuff that has no doubt deteriorated beyond any sensible use cut and replaced with stuff that came out of service more recently.

The haste with which IETs etc were ordered is equally alarming. All the eggs are in one basket design wise. Did not seem like anyone wanted to sit back and see how the first orders settled in before jumping on the same hope/aspiration. So many ordered that Newton Aylcliffe could not build all of them. What follows will be a lack of demand leading to a risk of Newton Aylcliffe closing. What ever happened to steady orders of replacement trains just like a rolling program of electrification - oh !.

 

[Bikeman78]

No because there are no guards that sign them atm

Same applies to 317s going to Leeds in 1998. Different world back then!

 

[Nick Ashwell]

Will GWR actually get off their backsides and provide replacement buses? I'm not accepting being stuck miles from home with no hope and diminishing money...

 

[yorksrob]

They are discussing bringing them back early. But nothing has been agreed

Ah, thanks for the heads up.

Sounds like it might take a bit longer than a chap in overalls banging on a lump of metal with his hammer and saying "that one's fine"

 

[JonathanH]

Will GWR actually get off their backsides and provide replacement buses? I'm not accepting being stuck miles from home with no hope and diminishing money...

Where do they need to provide replacement buses? They have provided replacement trains between Paddington and Didcot and there are alternatives on much of the rest of their network.

 

[43096]

The haste with which Mk4 and Mk3 vehicles have been sent to the cutters torch.
It does seem to be quite a recent phenomenon for withdrawn trains to be cut up pronto, whereas place like Long Marston have played host to trains that have sat withdrawn for many years in some cases. A more joined up process would have seen that stuff that has no doubt deteriorated beyond any sensible use cut and replaced with stuff that came out of service more recently.

Haste?

We're now well over 3 years since the 80x started daily service with GWR. How long would you hold on to the old trains for? 3 months? A year? Three years? Ten years?

Then who is paying not only for the storage and for keeping them service ready "just in case", because it won't be the owners - the business case for doing so is non-existent. If there is no realistic prospect of re-use, why would you hold on to that stock.

 

[Nick Ashwell]

Where do they need to provide replacement buses? They have provided replacement trains between Paddington and Didcot and there are alternatives on much of the rest of their network.

TfW services aren't listed as an alternative option so Swindon to South Wales

 

[millemille]

History repeats itself. Early 90mph plus units such as Class 158 were plagued by yaw damper bracket fatigue problems and it's surprising that the 8xx designers didn't know about that and take it into account.

It's not clear at the moment that this is solely yaw damper related, the reason given for the current situation is cracks being found in jacking point/lifting pockets. It is logical to expect these to be adjacent to the yaw damper brackets but whether they are suffering from an issue arising from there and migrating remains to be seen.

Having done a limited amount of work for/with Hitachi I would be very surprised if this is solely a design issue; all of my dealings have found Hitachi to be very risk averse when it comes to not having the full picture for data and history and working without it. And the depth of peer review and approvals scrutiny means failure in depth to have let such a significant shortcoming make its way into production and manifest itself so early in the vehicle's life.

 

[Peregrine 4903]

Where do they need to provide replacement buses? They have provided replacement trains between Paddington and Didcot and there are alternatives on much of the rest of their network.

Didcot to Swindon is another one. Not much of an alternative unless a stuttle service is running between Swindon and Cheltenham Spa.

 

[PHILIPE]

TfW services aren't listed as an alternative option so Swindon to South Wales

How do you get to and from Swindon by TFW

 

[HamworthyGoods]

TfW services aren't listed as an alternative option so Swindon to South Wales

Swindon to South Wales. Take a GWR service from Swindon to Trowbridge change there for a direct train to Cardiff. Both operated by turbos.