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Entire 800/801/802 fleet stood down for safety checks

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This supposed fiasco also means the public now know that the West Country and East coast route to Scotland are served by modern “bullet trains”. More than any advertising campaign could reach.

No such thing as bad publicity as the railway regrows its mindshare and business.
 
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OK it would not happen today but pre-March 2020 passengers could have a flight into Heathrow or Gatwick or perhaps arrive on Eurostar then a booked rail ticket at 18xx from Paddington or Kings Cross to home lets say 150 miles.

First when might they learn of this? When they arrive at Heathrow, Gatwick or St Pancras or not until Paddington or Kings Cross? Regardless any ' do not travel ' notice is irrelevant. One way or another the requirement is either to get to the destination station or accommodation in London.
I arrived in the country on Eurostar during the great Thameslink AC frequency mass shutdown. The first thing we knew was on arrival. Staff were saying not to travel, nothing back to Cambridge running (not true because GA kept running but my phone did not work probably because of the thousands of people at Kings Cross), to make own arrangements and reclaim. They then tried to avoid paying the claim even though I had taken pictures of their announces and so on, and eventually my travel insurance paid me and billed GTR!

So I expect anyone arriving in the UK during this will be among the worse hit.
 

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I guess they are fortunate (to a degree) the engineering work has thinned the service. Hopefully by Monday enough will be checked for normal service to resume. From loading on the services I have used recently 5 car is fine. (But not used a Edinburgh servic)
Another very appopriate user name :)
 

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The haste with which IETs etc were ordered is equally alarming. All the eggs are in one basket design wise. Did not seem like anyone wanted to sit back and see how the first orders settled in before jumping on the same hope/aspiration. So many ordered that Newton Aylcliffe could not build all of them. What follows will be a lack of demand leading to a risk of Newton Aylcliffe closing. What ever happened to steady orders of replacement trains just like a rolling program of electrification - oh !.
Took them about a million years to order the IEPs!
 

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Surely Avanti and WMR excepting tickets for GWR passengers only helps those going to Worcester, Hereford, Malvern etc. (via birmingham). The one that would really help is Crosscountry to the Southwest and TFW to wales but looks unlikely.
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This supposed fiasco also means the public now know that the West Country and East coast route to Scotland are served by modern “bullet trains”. More than any advertising campaign could reach.

No such thing as bad publicity as the railway regrows its mindshare and business.
“Mindshare”? Is that some sort of marketing buzzword nonsense?
 

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Took them about a million years to order the IEPs!
Indeed, it took the DfT sever years to make up their minds over the designs of it, originally starting out as a pastiche of the HST (and once talk about re-using the MTU Series 4000s from the HST power cars itself) to an underfloor engined, bi-modal improved Voyager type unit.
 

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From what I have been informed LSL are running Paddington to Plymouth with 8 coaches and Kings Cross to York with a similar length trains. GWR also be using 57s.

This comes from a group on Facebook for railway employees so whether it is froth and wibble is anyone's guess
Surely wibble. The unions are not going to allow GWR to bring in stuff driven by part time drivers with frankly poor route knowledge when plenty of HSTs around that could be used at least as far as Reading driven and crewed by GWR staff.
 

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An informed posting on the wnxx forum suggests that 387s will be able to run with passengers from London to Swindon by Tuesday once sufficient guards are passed to enable passenger use west of Didcot.
 

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In respect of bringing back into use non dda compliant stock, surely disabled passengers can be accommodated by using disability taxis. Preventing 98% of passengers using trains when there is an emergency and an alternative seems bonkers. This would be even more stupid as if the trains don't run both able bodied AND disabled can't use the train!
 

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Is it likely any planned engineering works will be cut short to open up alternative routes, e.g. SWR London to Bristol via Salisbury?
To be honest I'm just hoping I can avoid having to take an RRB on my journey tomorrow ;)
 

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Surely wibble. The unions are not going to allow GWR to bring in stuff driven by part time drivers with frankly poor route knowledge when plenty of HSTs around that could be used at least as far as Reading driven and crewed by GWR staff.
I thought they were only cleared / allowed on the books as far as Swindon - Hence my earlier suggestion of using some of the 2+4s up to Swindon and changing there for 387s to Paddington?
 

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I thought they were only cleared / allowed on the books as far as Swindon - Hence my earlier suggestion of using some of the 2+4s up to Swindon and changing there for 387s to Paddington?
I wouldnt know about that route , but the b and h I believe they could run Penzance to Reading, where passengers could change for 387s.
 

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Haste?

We're now well over 3 years since the 80x started daily service with GWR. How long would you hold on to the old trains for? 3 months? A year? Three years? Ten years?

Then who is paying not only for the storage and for keeping them service ready "just in case", because it won't be the owners - the business case for doing so is non-existent. If there is no realistic prospect of re-use, why would you hold on to that stock.
I was thinking more about the Mk4's to be fair. They pretty much went direct from service to the scrappie.
Doesn't make a lot of sense when there a loads of Mk2 and old EMU's mouldering away in various yards around the country. Someone is paying for *that* storage. I was suggesting a joined up system would keep a reserve of withdrawn but servicable vehicles (which clearly someone sees some value in, otherwise nothing at all would be stored) with new withdrawals pushing the oldest/most knackered of that pool to the scrap man, rather than the same now probably beyond use stuff staying sat in storage whilst newly withdrawn stuff goes straight to the razor blade factory.
 

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I was thinking more about the Mk4's to be fair. They pretty much went direct from service to the scrappie

Those ones were so corroded to continue in traffic would have needed extensive remedial work. BR never really ran stock quite so intensively into the ground after 10-15 years front line service coaches would be cascaded to secondary routes.
 

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I was thinking more about the Mk4's to be fair. They pretty much went direct from service to the scrappie.
Doesn't make a lot of sense when there a loads of Mk2 and old EMU's mouldering away in various yards around the country. Someone is paying for *that* storage. I was suggesting a joined up system would keep a reserve of withdrawn but servicable vehicles (which clearly someone sees some value in, otherwise nothing at all would be stored) with new withdrawals pushing the oldest/most knackered of that pool to the scrap man, rather than the same now probably beyond use stuff staying sat in storage whilst newly withdrawn stuff goes straight to the razor blade factory.
I’ll repeat the question: who pays for such a reserve?

And in the case of the Mark 4s it does make sense to Eversholt as the vehicle owners to send them for scrap, otherwise they wouldn’t do it (and would be paying to store them).
 

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Doesn't make a lot of sense when there a loads of Mk2 and old EMU's mouldering away in various yards around the country.
Are there loads of Mk2s in yards? The ones at Burton are owned by Riviera Trains for charter use and it is likely that some are merely held for spares to keep the others running. What other Mk2s are stored?

Mk4s had no use for charters or anything else so have gone for scrap after an initial period of storage.

old EMU's
Only 319s which Porterbrook are rebuilding as 769s and 365s which might have been touted for reuse. 313s, 315s, 317s, 321s and 332s have largely gone to scrap after component recovery and some swapping of PRM units.
 

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It's not clear at the moment that this is solely yaw damper related, the reason given for the current situation is cracks being found in jacking point/lifting pockets. It is logical to expect these to be adjacent to the yaw damper brackets but whether they are suffering from an issue arising from there and migrating remains to be seen.

Having done a limited amount of work for/with Hitachi I would be very surprised if this is solely a design issue; all of my dealings have found Hitachi to be very risk averse when it comes to not having the full picture for data and history and working without it. And the depth of peer review and approvals scrutiny means failure in depth to have let such a significant shortcoming make its way into production and manifest itself so early in the vehicle's life.
This won't be doing anything for the production of further 80x for EMR and Avanti.
It would be even more serious if production has to be stopped while a long-term solution is found (as in the 737 MAX).

LNER is advising passengers not to travel tomorrow (Sunday).
 

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I was thinking more about the Mk4's to be fair. They pretty much went direct from service to the scrappie.
Doesn't make a lot of sense when there a loads of Mk2 and old EMU's mouldering away in various yards around the country. Someone is paying for *that* storage. I was suggesting a joined up system would keep a reserve of withdrawn but servicable vehicles (which clearly someone sees some value in, otherwise nothing at all would be stored) with new withdrawals pushing the oldest/most knackered of that pool to the scrap man, rather than the same now probably beyond use stuff staying sat in storage whilst newly withdrawn stuff goes straight to the razor blade factory.
Some 313s were towed away 36 hours after their last working. At the other end of the scale, some of the 317s have been at Ely for around two years.
 
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