Class 345 progress

[JonathanH]

So 345010 and 345048 are both 9-car units now? Have either entered service yet - or is that rather premature? Many thanks

345048 has always been a 9-car unit. It has been at Worksop / Old Dalby for a long while.

345010 is now a 9-car unit, having been a 7-car since it was built. The usual next step is for it to go out on test runs - eg the 5Gxx runs from Old Oak Depot - before entering service.

 

[Roger B]

345048 has always been a 9-car unit. It has been at Worksop / Old Dalby for a long while.

345010 is now a 9-car unit, having been a 7-car since it was built. The usual next step is for it to go out on test runs - eg the 5Gxx runs from Old Oak Depot - before entering service.

Thanks Jonathan

 

[JonathanH]

Reports elsewhere that 345021 and 345043 (from the west side passenger fleet) are the two 9-car units working out of Liverpool Street today. (One of these returns to Old Oak Depot later according to the workings.)

345046 reported in service west side, which I think is the 55th of the 70 units to carry passengers. Just 345001/18/19/24/25/31/32/33/36/41/45/48/50/67/69 to do so now.

 

[Wigan Wanderer]

Noted this afternoon:
Heathrow diags: 030, 058, 063
Hayes diags: 002, 046
Reading diags: 004, 026, 055, 062

 

[JonathanH]

I’m fairly sure I’ve been on some original East units in the West - only because I’ve noticed the “Liverpool St-Shenfield” maps in my coaches recently, but perhaps they’ve just updated the whole fleet.

Further to this comment, it is now apparent that the 9-car workings on the east side are formed from units based at Old Oak Depot. Therefore, the units now carry maps for both the west side and east side operations. It looks like there is effectively a three day cycle for 9-car units working on the east side, going east during the day on day 1, working an evening peak working, working all day east side on day 2 and then returning west after the evening peak on day 3. Obviously, service perturbation can affect this pattern. Not long enough yet to work out whether there is a distinct subfleet of these units.

Although west side 9-car units work through the tunnel to get to the east, a distinct fleet still seems to be in place for tunnel trial running. Interestingly, recent 9-car conversion 345010 appears to have joined this fleet instead of going out on west side workings. As an example from yesterday, 345010 is implied to have been on one of the trial running diagrams.


[Picture shows a screen shot of output from TrackIt! with headcode '5I10' reported cancelled at berth C313 having returned from Paddington (Crossrail) on 5Y74 2005 Paddington Crossrail to Old Oak Depot around 2013 on 31 May]

The attempts to get 7-car 345042 back to the east side last week appear not to have gone to plan - it looks like paths are in for another go tomorrow, with another potentially going in the opposite direction.
1026 Old Oak Depot to Ilford E.M.U.D.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K02062/2021-06-02/detailed
1517 Ilford E.M.U.D. to Old Oak Depot
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K04506/2021-06-02/detailed

 

[Gulf1159]

Further to this comment, it is now apparent that the 9-car workings on the east side are formed from units based at Old Oak Depot. Therefore, the units now carry maps for both the west side and east side operations. It looks like there is effectively a three day cycle for 9-car units working on the east side, going east during the day on day 1, working an evening peak working, working all day east side on day 2 and then returning west after the evening peak on day 3. Obviously, service perturbation can affect this pattern. Not long enough yet to work out whether there is a distinct subfleet of these units.

Although west side 9-car units work through the tunnel to get to the east, a distinct fleet still seems to be in place for tunnel trial running. Interestingly, recent 9-car conversion 345010 appears to have joined this fleet instead of going out on west side workings. As an example from yesterday, 345010 is implied to have been on one of the trial running diagrams.

View attachment 97386
[Picture shows a screen shot of output from TrackIt! with headcode '5I10' reported cancelled at berth C313 having returned from Paddington (Crossrail) on 5Y74 2005 Paddington Crossrail to Old Oak Depot around 2013 on 31 May]

The attempts to get 7-car 345042 back to the east side last week appear not to have gone to plan - it looks like paths are in for another go tomorrow, with another potentially going in the opposite direction.
1026 Old Oak Depot to Ilford E.M.U.D.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K02062/2021-06-02/detailed
1517 Ilford E.M.U.D. to Old Oak Depot
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K04506/2021-06-02/detailed

345008 should be the unit returning to OOC (well it was last week!)

9 car units seen on the east have been 345021/023/031/033/043/047/054/065 of these I believe all but 047/054 have been in passenger service. There might have been more but these are the one’s I have seen.

345018 was in Ilford A shops last Friday as a 7 car. Not sure what two coaches were missing

 

[kevin_roche]

Today's timetable indicates that Trial Running has moved up to 8 trains per hour.

Realtime Trains | Live Departures from Tottenham Court Road

Live train information at Tottenham Court Road. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[absolutelymilk]

Today's timetable indicates that Trail Running has moved up to 8 trains per hour.

And seems to be going fairly smoothly!

 

[SolomonSouth]

And seems to be going fairly smoothly!

That's good, because the 345s were put off for so long!

 

[Gulf1159]

345006 is at OOC assumed it was the unit that went on the 1st June in place of 345008 there hasnt been any since then

 

[JonathanH]

345006 is at OOC assumed it was the unit that went on the 1st June in place of 345008 there hasnt been any since then

If the previous process has been followed, this might suggest that it has already been lengthened.

[Picture shows a screen shot of output from TrackIt! with headcode '5I06' moving berth C410 to 0140 to C311 at Old Oak Depot around 6pm on 8 June.]

Or maybe it hasn't been lengthened at all given a locomotive is on the way for a transit move to Ilford later.
0742 Wembley H.S. to Old Oak Depot
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R20712/2021-06-09/detailed
1026 Old Oak Depot to Ilford E.M.U.D.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K51007/2021-06-09/detailed
1517 Ilford E.M.U.D. to Old Oak Depot
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K03764/2021-06-09/detailed
1943 Old Oak Depot to Wembley H.S.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R20713/2021-06-09/detailed

 

[SolomonSouth]

If the previous process has been followed, this might suggest that it has already been lengthened.
View attachment 97900
[Picture shows a screen shot of output from TrackIt! with headcode '5I06' moving berth C410 to 0140 to C311 at Old Oak Depot around 6pm on 8 June.]

Or maybe it hasn't been lengthened at all given a locomotive is on the way for a transit move to Ilford later.
0742 Wembley H.S. to Old Oak Depot
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R20712/2021-06-09/detailed
1026 Old Oak Depot to Ilford E.M.U.D.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K51007/2021-06-09/detailed
1517 Ilford E.M.U.D. to Old Oak Depot
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K03764/2021-06-09/detailed
1943 Old Oak Depot to Wembley H.S.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R20713/2021-06-09/detailed

For the record, do you know how many 345s have been lengthened?

 

[su31]

I rode in a 9 car train from Liverpool Street to Goodmayes yesterday. The on-board announcements were fairly clear about stations with short platforms but a number of people still seemed to panic when the doors didn't open. It was nice to (at last) get off from the last carriage at Goodmayes right at the foot of the stairs, without having to walk half the platform length from a a 315 or more-recently a RLU (especially since they moved the stopping mark!).

 

[Horizon22]

I rode in a 9 car train from Liverpool Street to Goodmayes yesterday. The on-board announcements were fairly clear about stations with short platforms but a number of people still seemed to panic when the doors didn't open. It was nice to (at last) get off from the last carriage at Goodmayes right at the foot of the stairs, without having to walk half the platform length from a a 315 or more-recently a RLU (especially since they moved the stopping mark!).

Ah they’ll get used to it eventually - it took them a few months on the West too!

 

[iphone76]

I rode in a 9 car train from Liverpool Street to Goodmayes yesterday. The on-board announcements were fairly clear about stations with short platforms but a number of people still seemed to panic when the doors didn't open. It was nice to (at last) get off from the last carriage at Goodmayes right at the foot of the stairs, without having to walk half the platform length from a a 315 or more-recently a RLU (especially since they moved the stopping mark!).

Out of interest, did the driver make any announcements? I did, but wondered if anyone actually listened to them or not.

 

[Dstock7080]

Today's timetable indicates that Trial Running has moved up to 8 trains per hour.

Email to staff today:

This week our Trial Running programme celebrated a significant step forward as we moved into running a timetabled 8 trains per hour which is a fantastic achievement for all involved.

Trial Running so far has been very encouraging with good solid performance, flushing out issues to fix and shaking down our train fleet. Next step is to 12 trains per hour by mid-July.

Before then, planning continues for the next 18-day construction blockade starting on 21 June to ensure we deliver it in a controlled and safe way

 

[su31]

Out of interest, did the driver make any announcements? I did, but wondered if anyone actually listened to them or not.

Yes, plenty of live announcements, which do make a difference to the auto ones but I guess it could be a language barrier.

I know the doors have the red lights but I wonder if they’ll be able to recreate the red carriage graphic from the new publicity posters onto the overhead displays - it might help.

 

[warwickshire]

If the previous process has been followed, this might suggest that it has already been lengthened.
View attachment 97900
[Picture shows a screen shot of output from TrackIt! with headcode '5I06' moving berth C410 to 0140 to C311 at Old Oak Depot around 6pm on 8 June.]

Or maybe it hasn't been lengthened at all given a locomotive is on the way for a transit move to Ilford later.
0742 Wembley H.S. to Old Oak Depot
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R20712/2021-06-09/detailed
1026 Old Oak Depot to Ilford E.M.U.D.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K51007/2021-06-09/detailed
1517 Ilford E.M.U.D. to Old Oak Depot
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K03764/2021-06-09/detailed
1943 Old Oak Depot to Wembley H.S.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R20713/2021-06-09/detailed

Moves didn't run today due to a issue at old oak common wonder what it was ???

 

[iphone76]

Yes, plenty of live announcements, which do make a difference to the auto ones but I guess it could be a language barrier.

I know the doors have the red lights but I wonder if they’ll be able to recreate the red carriage graphic from the new publicity posters onto the overhead displays - it might help.

Thank you. It's good to know the announcements help and people listen. You can't hear what's being said from the front!

I'm sure it is possible to be updated, I will ask when I'm next in.

 

[TFN]

I know the doors have the red lights but I wonder if they’ll be able to recreate the red carriage graphic from the new publicity posters onto the overhead displays - it might help.

Yes just like Class 700s. You can see the whole way down the train and the point where the screens aren't red anymore is where you know you need to get off when there's a short platform.

Makes it much easier.

 

[JonathanH]

Moves didn't run today due to a issue at old oak common wonder what it was ???

There seems to have been some sort of signal / points type issue at the depot as many of the other movements didn't happen either.

Not at all the first time one of these moves hasn't actually happened.

 

[TrainSailing]

There seems to have been some sort of signal / points type issue at the depot as many of the other movements didn't happen either.

Not at all the first time one of these moves hasn't actually happened.

There was a de railment in OOC depot yesterday morning restricting the available routes in/out of the depot.

 

[Gulf1159]

There was a de railment in OOC depot yesterday morning restricting the available routes in/out of the depot.

I wonder if 345006 was involved as its still showing on signal maps on the washer bypass. Just a thought or has it been trapped by the derailment

 

[TrainSailing]

I wonder if 345006 was involved as its still showing on signal maps on the washer bypass. Just a thought or has it been trapped by the derailment

Yes it is 006 on the WBP. It derailed to the right (travelling west) quite substantially leaving it sat across depot line 1 and almost fouling depot line 2 as well.

 

[Gulf1159]

Yes it is 006 on the WBP. It derailed to the right (travelling west) quite substantially leaving it sat across depot line 1 and almost fouling depot line 2 as well.

Thanks for the confirmation and explains all the cancellations and delays

 

[dmncf]

Yes it is 006 on the WBP. It derailed to the right (travelling west) quite substantially leaving it sat across depot line 1 and almost fouling depot line 2 as well.

I guess having and learning from incidents like this is the reason they're doing trial running.

 

[Horizon22]

Yes, plenty of live announcements, which do make a difference to the auto ones but I guess it could be a language barrier.

I know the doors have the red lights but I wonder if they’ll be able to recreate the red carriage graphic from the new publicity posters onto the overhead displays - it might help.

This red doors thing is a bit of a pain. At Paddington for instance certain doors don't open despite every platform (except P14 when 345s FLU don't go anyway) being able to accomodate 9-cars.

 

[JonathanH]

At Paddington for instance certain doors don't open despite every platform (except P14 when 345s FLU don't go anyway) being able to accomodate 9-cars.

That is about a view on the curvature of the platform rather than its length though.

 

[TrainSailing]

I guess having and learning from incidents like this is the reason they're doing trial running.

The incident itself had nothing to do with trail running and was just a movement taking place within the depot. Trail running has been disrupted only due to the reduced amount of trains that can come and go from the depot as a result.

 

[Horizon22]

That is about a view on the curvature of the platform rather than its length though.

Perhaps, although a 387 would be fine there, so I doubt that it's a real issue.