London to Glasgow Non-Stop

[Bald Rick]

I'm looking forward to the Carstairs to Glasgow Central section - this will be challenging due to the large number of local services and flat junctions.

The timetable has a parting of the Red Sea for this train, and the signallers / controllers have been well briefed!

 

[nlogax]

Fair bit of negativity on here. Why? We should be celebrating events like these - they're now so rare on our railways!

Watching the progress on RTT is good fun.

 

[peteb]

And that 'Peter somebody' as you described him was introduced as "Sir Peter Hendy, Chairman of Network Rail". He was talking to the general public, not a bunch of enthusiasts, (who would easily be able to find out that 390044 currently carries the name 'Royal Scot').

Irritatingly the interviewer ended the interview with "thanks Peter", not "that was Sir Peter.......", but apologies for not recognising his rank in the original post.

 

[hexagon789]

Fair bit of negativity on here. Why? We should be celebrating events like these - they're now so rare on our railways!

Watching the progress on RTT is good fun.

And it's for charity as well, it's not merely a speed run.

 

[dk1]

Fair bit of negativity on here. Why? We should be celebrating events like these - they're now so rare on our railways!

Watching the progress on RTT is good fun.

The difference of opinion is always good. I’m completely with you however, I love events like this.

 

[Dave W]

The timetable has a parting of the Red Sea for this train, and the signallers / controllers have been well briefed!

Not sure of the accuracy of the route setting on OTT but according to that the signaller has set the route almost as far as Motherwell already.

 

[TheManWho]

Anyone hoping to catch the 14:26 from Motherwell to Dalmuir via Glasgow Central Low Level will be disappointed I expect.

Anyone who leaves that little amount of time between connections would be used to disappointment...

 

[Darandio]

Fair bit of negativity on here. Why?

• They weren't invited.
• Couldn't buy a ticket.
• Most importantly it's not their beloved Virgin doing it.

 

[Statto]

I'm viewing it's progress on the Railcam site diagrams, Traksy has given it the wrong headcode of 180Q, it's the correct headcode of 1Z57 on the Railcam diagrams

 

[Andy Pacer]

I'm viewing it's progress on the Railcam site diagrams, Traksy has given it the wrong headcode of 180Q, it's the correct headcode of 1Z57 on the Railcam diagrams

See post #144

 

[peteb]

As we await arrival at Glasgow a thought has occured: could a 221 voyager do the same run at similar speeds/timings? It would be an interesting comparison run, and maybe an attempt at the fastest diesel between London and Glasgow.

 

[Failed Unit]

As we await arrival at Glasgow a thought has occured: could a 221 voyager do the same run at similar speeds/timings? It would be an interesting comparison run, and maybe an attempt at the fastest diesel between London and Glasgow.

Depends on the criteria there, I think the HST will take some beating as it was allowed to run over the speed limit and the ECML is straighter anyway.

 

[hexagon789]

As we await arrival at Glasgow a thought has occured: could a 221 voyager do the same run at similar speeds/timings? It would be an interesting comparison run, and maybe an attempt at the fastest diesel between London and Glasgow.

Not similar speeds/timings, they have slower acceleration - particularly at higher speeds and more importantly there are a number of places where the lesser tilt means 221s have to run at a lower EPS limit.

 

[Bald Rick]

Not sure of the accuracy of the route setting on OTT but according to that the signaller has set the route almost as far as Motherwell already.

Apart from 573 at Lanark Jn.

 

[hexagon789]

Depends on the criteria there, I think the HST will take some beating as it was allowed to run over the speed limit and the ECML is straighter anyway.

There was I believe a run where an HST was specially authorised 125mph on the WCML in some places and that was before even 110mph was permitted.

 

[LancasterRed]

https://twitter.com/geofftech/status/1405510631395147780?s=19

Summary as there is no extension to display Tweets: 30 seconds behind, half an hour away. Geoff Marshall (on board) is worried

 

[peteb]

Depends on the criteria there, I think the HST will take some beating as it was allowed to run over the speed limit and the ECML is straighter anyway.

I'd assumed same route, tilt permitted, 125mph max, and greens all the way! Could be a fun charity fundraiser maybe next year?

 

[jfollows]

As we await arrival at Glasgow a thought has occured: could a 221 voyager do the same run at similar speeds/timings? It would be an interesting comparison run, and maybe an attempt at the fastest diesel between London and Glasgow.

I don't know how closely the WTT timings match reality, but in normal times when the xx.23 from Euston to Birmingham calls at Watford Junction it requires extra pathing time in the following xx.30 when the former is a 221/Voyager, but not when they're both timed as Pendolinos. From this I'd say that the 221 is a bit slower.

 

[Bald Rick]

Irritatingly the interviewer ended the interview with "thanks Peter", not "that was Sir Peter.......", but apologies for not recognising his rank in the original post.

To be fair, he isn’t bothered about stuff like this.

As we await arrival at Glasgow a thought has occured: could a 221 voyager do the same run at similar speeds/timings? It would be an interesting comparison run, and maybe an attempt at the fastest diesel between London and Glasgow.

No. It would be several last minutes slower. Slower acceleration and slower round many of the curves.

 

[Dave W]

Apart from 573 at Lanark Jn.

Oh hang on - I'm sure that *was* set... (it is again now)

Does Motherwell have ARS?

 

[dk1]

As we await arrival at Glasgow a thought has occured: could a 221 voyager do the same run at similar speeds/timings? It would be an interesting comparison run, and maybe an attempt at the fastest diesel between London and Glasgow.

It was interesting to read about an afternoon Voyager vice Pendolino diagram (I’m thinking 15:40 off Central for some reason) and that it was losing a few minutes to Preston every day.

 

[d9009alycidon]

Is it going to make it, can it make up time, is there a camera crew on board - wont be worth filming without a bit of jeopardy

 

[jfollows]

Does Motherwell have ARS?

Simsig (https://www.simsig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=simulations:motherwell:features) says it doesn't have ARS - in that the ARS provided with the simulator is not authentic, "Motherwell box itself was not fitted with ARS".

 

[nlogax]

Is it going to make it, can it make up time, is there a camera crew on board - wont be worth filming without a bit of jeopardy

If the Inside Glasgow Central team are back and filming there'll be some jeopardy potential at the buffers!

 

[Dave W]

Simsig (https://www.simsig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=simulations:motherwell:features) says it doesn't have ARS - in that the ARS provided with the simulator is not authentic, "Motherwell box itself was not fitted with ARS".

Thanks - I'm very acquainted with Carlisle but I've never played Motherwell - I knew the sim had ARS but as you say some are provided with non-authentic so wasn't sure. Cheers for clarifying!

 

[alf]

Will be interesting to hear how defensive the approach to the buffer stops is at Glasgow Central.

The difference between the fastest & slowest drivers can be 29 seconds at my usual terminus Victoria.

 

[Statto]

Current status is 1 late, ETA at Glasgow Central is 14.29, it's tense in those Top Gear style races.

 

[notlob.divad]

RTT has it slipped to +1 on schedule, which is +2 in reality due to a 1min early departure.

 

[Failed Unit]

Current status is 1 late, ETA at Glasgow Central is 14.29, it's tense in those Top Gear style races.

Is that actually 2 late as it left early?

 

[hexagon789]

Is that actually 2 late as it left early?

It's about 1.5 mins down on its scheduled running time if that makes sense?