richardcoughla
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No Great Northern between Finsbury Park and Moorgate during the strikes
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andystock22
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In addition as of today Great Northern have reduced the Moorgate to Welwyn Garden City and Moorgate to Hertford North to only 2 trains an hour at peak times.
It was 4 trains per hour for the last 2 weeks.
I really hate to think what the overcrowding will be like on those six car 717s tommorow and Thursday!
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Some diverted to Kings Cross.
Goldfish62
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I'm sure it's a legal right that you can join any union relevant to the industry you work in.
Cancel that -I've just looked at their website and it is indeed the case.
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That sounds like a monopoly or even a cartel. Perhaps the Competition and Markets Authority should investigate?
richardcoughla
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Is the reduced service due to the impending strike or something else?
Howardh
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I'm in London Weds and Thurs, I take it there will be no tube trains whatsoever on Thursday? Luckily I'm booked very near Euston so no worries on the Friday getting home, and just use the buses off-peak wehn they should be quieter I suppose.
bramling
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I'm not sure anyone quite knows how many people are likely to turn up. ASLEF aren't on strike, so there will be drivers available, though this will be uneven as some lines/depots tend to be skewed to one union or other. The bigger problem is station staff (for the tunnel stations), and control staff.
I'd predict there will be some service on certain sections of lines, especially the open-air sections. Possibly some service through some tunnel sections but with many stations closed. Also likely to close down early. Just my prediction - it may be more, maybe less.
Hardly the TOC or National Rail's fault though is it? But yes probably more C. London commuters will stay at home, indirectly impacting the rail operators.
matt_world2004
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It's going to be a bit of a web which means it is unlikely to be any service . Station staff will be prioritised for being allocated to non striking lines . Like the DLR at bank or
If there is enough drivers to run the service. There would need to be enough control staff for them to run. If there is enough control staff there also needs to be enough station staff so stations don't get overcrowded
Snow1964
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I can’t find anything that says pension changes are happening.
However it does appear that as part of last weeks TfL bailout, a Government condition is that an Independent pension review takes place.
I wonder how much money station staff are prepared to lose by striking, to protect future employees and financial changes that might not be applied to existing employees.
However it does appear that as part of last weeks TfL bailout, a Government condition is that an Independent pension review takes place.
I wonder how much money station staff are prepared to lose by striking, to protect future employees and financial changes that might not be applied to existing employees.
bramling
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Pensions is the issue most staff care about. I can’t help but think this strike is very slightly premature for that. It will certainly be a big issue going forward if invasive changes are formally proposed though. On that score I think it’s daft for RMT to use up their “strike capital” at this point.
They're not.
They'll do overtime to make up for it.
It's all pre-emptive by the RMT and very premature. The main reason for the strikes is the 500 customer service jobs axed last year (although managed through natural wastage, no redundancies). They lumped in pensions to allow all their members to vote (and more likely to get a positive mandate, which they only just got).
As you say its a review, nothing much more. That being said, the RPS (and other related pensions) are believed to have some significant black holes going forward.
It wouldn't surprise me that if in the medium term that - much like the NHS - new starters eventually find themselves on less good terms.
When TFL received the £200m bailout last week the DFT added yet another string, and I quote “while making significant progress in moving the pension fund into a financially sustainable position”. In other words, cutting employer contributions.
No one will be losing their jobs, but the 600 positions not been filled will have a major effect on stations, most of which already have huge problems just covering the roster. As soon as people go sick or on leave, the roster falls apart. There will also be 600 less people paying into the pension scheme.
There is far too much lone working on the tube as it is, as well far too many assaults and abuse.
No one will be losing their jobs, but the 600 positions not been filled will have a major effect on stations, most of which already have huge problems just covering the roster. As soon as people go sick or on leave, the roster falls apart. There will also be 600 less people paying into the pension scheme.
There is far too much lone working on the tube as it is, as well far too many assaults and abuse.
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It's not as if the TfL Pension scheme has never changed. Those entering service post-1989 receive a significantly downgraded pension.
My usual train into work in London this morning was as busy as usual so it seems a lot of people aren't taking any notice of the strike. I suppose when you think about what everyone has had to put up with over the past couple of years and what's happening in the world right it's not as foremost in people's minds as such action has been in the past.
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Snow1964
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One of the things I always find odd, is the TfL website current status that uses the words No service due to strike action by the RMT.
Always seems to me like it is worded that RMT determine todays (non) service level, not TfL. Not a word of apology to customers, or explanation of what we are trying to do to stop it reoccurring. Almost as if it is an acceptable norm.
I wonder why TfL treat it as a normal event, you wouldn’t get an equivalent at say Tesco with a note pinned on entrance door saying no groceries today due to strike by X union.
Always seems to me like it is worded that RMT determine todays (non) service level, not TfL. Not a word of apology to customers, or explanation of what we are trying to do to stop it reoccurring. Almost as if it is an acceptable norm.
I wonder why TfL treat it as a normal event, you wouldn’t get an equivalent at say Tesco with a note pinned on entrance door saying no groceries today due to strike by X union.
bramling
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This is typical TFL and their bull-in-china-shop employee relations. Elements of their management wouldn’t be out of place in a pub brawl.
I can sort of see it - the RMT have called a strike and the RMT members have walked out (rightly or wrongly) and then prevents a service being run. TfL don't really have much say in this right now, being at the mercy of the financial deal from the government. But an apology isn't hard to produce.
High Dyke
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I guess it will be to do with the Moorgate branch stations being staffed by LU, and therefore fire safety implications.
bramling
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Exactly that. Reading between the lines, it may have been the case that LU were looking at prioritising them, but evidently GTR had already taken the decision to divert to King’s Cross for the whole day, which was probably sensible. GTR would otherwise have been setting themselves up for potential short-notice disruption.
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A pretty comprehensive close down looking at the TfL map. Nothing in Central London, and only part of the outer London sections of the Piccadilly, Northern and Central operating. I assume that the surface stations are easier to keep open
bramling
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Yes most surface stations are likely to be unmanned. Not great from a safety point of view, but it is what is it (and no different to how much of NR operates).
Dstock7080
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It's how we here have been on the DLR for the last 35 years. No drivers on trains either. If you think that has safety issues, please describe.
DLR stations have been specifically designed to be unstaffed from brand new (with the exception of the sub surface stations like Cutty Sark) with full camera coverage, help points going to the central control room, no hidden corners on stations, and more rigid infrastructure designed not to require as much human intervention.
ThameslinkUser
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That's incorrect. All trains are staffed with agents that are able to take over train operation in emergencies. Trains are not authorised to move without said member of staff.
That's not the case at all. Our own local station has two cameras, one for each platform at its extremity. That's it. I believe they are not displayed in the control room unless the operator selects them. Access passages, the stairs, etc, not covered. Have seen people crossing the tracks between platforms, nothing comes of it. Regarding the Help Points, I've never ever seen one being used, since the day the system opened. It all nevertheless just rolls along fine. So I really don't see the issue of Underground surface stations being the same.
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