Islineclear3_1
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Given that the withdrawal of Southern's 455s is happening, is there a firm date set for Southern's 313s considering they are slightly older?
not yetGiven that the withdrawal of Southern's 455s is happening, is there a firm date set for Southern's 313s considering they are slightly older?
It is safe to say that nothing is being built to replace 313s.Not sure where they'll get the stock from to replace twenty 313 units either, I'm sure someone far more knowledgeable on what stock is where and what's currently being built might have an input.
They almost definitely will be around in early May.Hopefully they are still around in early May so I can catch the last 3 I need
The continued rumour is the 387s from GN or the 377/5s from SEWith the withdrawal of the 313s also comes the transfer of conductors to the OBS role, which I don't imagine will be a quiet affair.
Not sure where they'll get the stock from to replace twenty 313 units either, I'm sure someone far more knowledgeable on what stock is where and what's currently being built might have an input.
The 313's go in the December 2022 Timetable Change. Plenty of time to travel on them.Hopefully they are still around in early May so I can catch the last 3 I need
Is there a source on that?The 313's go in the December 2022 Timetable Change. Plenty of time to travel on them.
379's to Great Northern to displace 387's to Southern in turn displacing 377's to replace 455's.The continued rumour is the 387s from GN or the 377/5s from SE
Not sure where they'll get the stock from to replace twenty 313 units either, I'm sure someone far more knowledgeable on what stock is where and what's currently being built might have an input.
Indeed, more like 12 now which isn't really many to find. Depending on how the 455 replacement goes, you really would like to think that replacement could be achieved within Southern's existing resources.Many of the services that required twenty-ish 313s are no longer running: West Worthing-Brighton; Lewes shuttles; Hove shuttles. So whilst there is a requirement for replacement stock, the number isn’t 20 units.
Twitter, WNXX: "313205" thread.Is there a source on that?
There are, of course, 23 377/5s, and probably a requirement for around 12 diagrams to replace the 313s so it will be interesting to see if they all transfer.From an internal source apparently it's going to be 377/5s replacing the 313s
It also slightly simplifies traction learning for traincrew and depot staff. Though probably not massively, as there is very little difference between the various subclasses of Electrostar.Having all the 375s at Southeastern and all the 377s at Southern does appeal to OCD though.
Watfords alsoI remember these trains coming over to the coastway routes just over a decade ago replacing comfortable 377s (no ironing boards on the 3 cars)
Whilst passable for Bognor and Hove shuttles their use on Brighton to Portsmouth services is outrageous given there are no toilets on board and the services are often overcrowded. However they have managed to keep Guards as a result. It made the OBS agreement much messier deciding which crew would stay in the Conductor role.
With Milton Keynes and Guildford services ending once these 313s go only Ashford to Hastings and Uckfield diesels will require Guards on Southern. With GWR pulling out of Brighton all services will be DOO there.
Really they've got to back cover the 455's first so unless the 377/5 are coming back from SE the only way to do that is cut back formations. Given peak extras are now consigned to history there will be overcrowding but they seems to be acceptable as PIXC is clearly no longer a target.Indeed, more like 12 now which isn't really many to find. Depending on how the 455 replacement goes, you really would like to think that replacement could be achieved within Southern's existing resources.
379's to Great Northern to displace 387's to Southern in turn displacing 377's to replace 455's.
Meanwhile 465/9's to Southeastern Victoria-Ashford etc to displace 377/5's to Southern to replace 313's.
Brighton and west towards Littlehampton since, while they are based at Brighton a few of the diagrams work Littlehampton to Portsmouth / Bognor local servicesWould Brighton be the best place to go to see them/ride on them 1 last time? Wouldn't mind some pics before they go
Can SE loose any rolling stock yet?From an internal source apparently it's going to be 377/5s replacing the 313s