DB Class 60 for sale

[43096]

DCR could be going for 'strength in numbers' with their 60 fleet

DCR running an all-60 fleet must have some attractions - then flog the 56s to GBRf for more 69 conversions.

 

[train_lover]

Well read “decided to use alternative traction” for “dump”. The point remains the same. Colas don’t want them, for GB it was convenience on a very specific contract set. The fact remains it doesn’t appear GB would want any more when what they really need is lots and lots of 66s...

You simply can't pull a rake of 23 or more JNA wagons out Peak Forest using 66s

 

[ExRes]

The fact remains it doesn’t appear GB would want any more when what they really need is lots and lots of 66s...

Perhaps they've reached the stage where there simply aren't 'lots and lots of 66s' to be had, if that were to be the case then they would need an alternative and what else is available other than relying on DB, DRS or Freightliner volunteering to give up their 66s or trying to get a useable number of 60s out of Toton scrapyard?

 

[train_lover]

Turns out to be DCR that's purchased more 60s

 

[4-SUB 4732]

Turns out to be DCR that's purchased more 60s

But it had to be GBRf according to the forum

 

[train_lover]

But it had to be GBRf according to the forum

Nobody said it was definitely GB. I said it was likely to be GB or DCR. I did think it was likely to be GB given the work they do.

 

[ExRes]

Still no confirmation of DCR, or anyone else, having secured any of the fourteen locos from the most recent list, an interesting example of the speed that things move at is on WNXX (subscription section) today, a picture of 60081 still sitting in Toton Yard waiting for a move to LSL Margate after being sold over two years ago

 

[ExRes]

It's been a while but confirmation of the purchase of the fourteen Class 60s by DCR has been reported on WNXX today

008/009/013/022/038/057/061/064/070/075/080/090/098/099 have been moved into the DCRS pool and will be repaired to standard specification rather than Super60, so far 008 & 038 have been receiving attention

 

[Speed43125]

repaired to standard specification rather than Super60

Is there any reason for this? I wasn't under the impression there were really any drawbacks to the Super60s compared to the as built 60s?

 

[Bevan Price]

Is there any reason for this? I wasn't under the impression there were really any drawbacks to the Super60s compared to the as built 60s?

Cheaper ???

 

[ExRes]

Is there any reason for this? I wasn't under the impression there were really any drawbacks to the Super60s compared to the as built 60s?

As I understand it the Super60 is an advance on the original spec, as someone who knows as much about engineering as Genghis Khan did about being a friendly neighbourhood visitor I can only imagine that it will be a case of cost versus the intended use, how many of the 14 are to be repaired for use will be interesting as will the amount of spares that are available from the others

 

[richieb1971]

Will be weird seeing some of those looking brand new again.
The super 60 program if I recall correctly was about updated electronics and reliability. As for cost, surely making an ugly duckling into a Swan is costly enough without worrying about a few more quid for new wiring looms and a few modern chipsets?

 

[Wyrleybart]

Will be weird seeing some of those looking brand new again.
The super 60 program if I recall correctly was about updated electronics and reliability. As for cost, surely making an ugly duckling into a Swan is costly enough without worrying about a few more quid for new wiring looms and a few modern chipsets?

What surprised me with the Super 60 programme was that they didn't modify all the locos to the higher fuel capacity. I don't know much about the 60s but I believe that certain locos received the extended tank possibly prior to the EWS union. How much effort would have been required to either exchange, or modify the tanks to the higher capacity ?
Perhaps someone on here can remember which were "ER"s

 

[ExRes]

As listed on WNXX the extended range 60s, both in service and stored are

002/003/004/005/007/009/010/012/015/017/020/021/022/023/025/026/027/028/030/033/037/038/041/046

051/052/054/055/056/058/059/064/070/071/077/080/081/089/090/091/092/096/097

 

[37114]

It's been a while but confirmation of the purchase of the fourteen Class 60s by DCR has been reported on WNXX today

008/009/013/022/038/057/061/064/070/075/080/090/098/099 have been moved into the DCRS pool and will be repaired to standard specification rather than Super60, so far 008 & 038 have been receiving attention

I would be amazed if all those got repaired 70 and 98 in particular are wrecks/heavily stripped...

 

[The Ghoul]

I would be amazed if all those got repaired 70 and 98 in particular are wrecks/heavily stripped...

I can't either, 098 put a leg out of bed didn't it

 

[Wyrleybart]

As listed on WNXX the extended range 60s, both in service and stored are

002/003/004/005/007/009/010/012/015/017/020/021/022/023/025/026/027/028/030/033/037/038/041/046

051/052/054/055/056/058/059/064/070/071/077/080/081/089/090/091/092/096/097

Thanks Ex Res. That has pretty much confirmed my rather poor memory that at least some of the 60s for Colas which subsequently became GBRf didn't get extended range. 60047 60076 and 60085 I think are three of them.

I can't either, 098 put a leg out of bed didn't it

Is that such a bad thing though ? The loco carcase needs a thorough strip down and replate anyway so there would need to be welding. Whip the damaged lump out and rebuld it outside the loco whilst renovating the shell. The only significant issue would be if the errant piston / con rod / head damaged a critical load bearing part of the bodyshell, but should still be weldable anyway.

 

[37114]

Thanks Ex Res. That has pretty much confirmed my rather poor memory that at least some of the 60s for Colas which subsequently became GBRf didn't get extended range. 60047 60076 and 60085 I think are three of them.


Is that such a bad thing though ? The loco carcase needs a thorough strip down and replate anyway so there would need to be welding. Whip the damaged lump out and rebuld it outside the loco whilst renovating the shell. The only significant issue would be if the errant piston / con rod / head damaged a critical load bearing part of the bodyshell, but should still be weldable anyway.

It depends if there are enough spare power units to replace it and where are they coming from? I seem to recall EWS rounded up 3 power units that were unused new ones a few years ago, unless someone is sat on a stash of them, there are none other than those already in a loco. Both 70 and 98 were early withdrawals and have been stripped and left out in the open with other issues like water ingress which make them even harder to repair. While it maybe possible and may happen ( and would be great bearing in mind 98s historic significance) I still remain to be convinced.

 

[ExRes]

Just to underline the time these locos have been stored, an update courtesy of WNXX

008 - 06/2007 > 009 - 11/2010 > 013 - 05/2011 > 022 - 12/2009 > 038 - 12/2008 > 057 - 05/2006 > 061 - 08/2009

064 - 01/2006 > 070 - 08/2004 > 075 - 11/2008 > 080 - 08/2008 > 090 - 04/2008 > 098 - 05/2004 > 099 - 12/2015

 

[pieguyrob]

( and would be great bearing in mind 98s historic significance).

If you don't mind me asking, what is 60098's historic importance?

 

[ExRes]

If you don't mind me asking, what is 60098's historic importance?

It was the 1000th loco built at Loughborough

 

[pieguyrob]

It was the 1000th loco built at Loughborough

Ah, thank you for that. A possible candidate for preservation if someone had deep enough pockets?

 

[ExRes]

It's been a while but confirmation of the purchase of the fourteen Class 60s by DCR has been reported on WNXX today

008/009/013/022/038/057/061/064/070/075/080/090/098/099 have been moved into the DCRS pool

60099 has today become the first of the batch to be moved, hauled by 60029 from Toton to Leicester LIP

 

[HOOVER29]

60099 has today become the first of the batch to be moved, hauled by 60029 from Toton to Leicester LIP

Seen the depot staff shunting 099 onto the line that contains 67019 the other day.
Also saw 60013 & 60098 been moved back & forth
The other week it was 60070’s turn

 

[ExRes]

60022 reported leaving Toton today by road transport, reportedly to Brush Loughborough

60013, 60075 & 60098 now also reported as roaded to Loughborough


Slightly off tangent, a couple of pictures on WNXX (subscription) today (Tuesday) of 60050 & 60086 on their private track panels at Shires Kinsley

 

[Spaceship323]

60022 reported leaving Toton today by road transport, reportedly to Brush Loughborough

60013, 60075 & 60098 now also reported as roaded to Loughborough


Slightly off tangent, a couple of pictures on WNXX (subscription) today (Tuesday) of 60050 & 60086 on their private track panels at Shires Kinsley

60008 was loaded onto a trailer at Toton this morning, observed from the bank

 

[ExRes]

60008 was loaded onto a trailer at Toton this morning, observed from the bank

Seems that 038 moved yesterday as well, that makes 008/013/022/038/075/098 so far with 099 at Leicester

There is a suggestion that one may be taken to Longport, that's unconfirmed though so may well be wide of the mark

 

[AC47461]

60008 was loaded onto a trailer at Toton this morning, observed from the bank

Saw that too, and saw it later at Wabtec, slightly bizarre watching a loco leave a TMD on a trailer (even though I know it was in no fit state to be towed by a loco)

 

[43096]

Saw that too, and saw it later at Wabtec, slightly bizarre watching a loco leave a TMD on a trailer (even though I know it was in no fit state to be towed by a loco)

At Wabtec?

 

[AC47461]

At Wabtec?

Well now you mention it I'm not sure (because they closed Loughborough didn't they?), except the building it was parked by, as viewed from the link below, has Wabtec on the side of it. 60013 was parked right alongside the building and 60008 was roughly where what looks to be a 92 body is in the link below. And as the Wabtec sign is still there, I made a possible wrong assumption. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.7...BPuhIi8q3uLX078kUfRA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en