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Feel its important again to point out that these are the first strikes Network Rail signallers have taken since 1994!
Poor show, where have you all been??!Feel its important again to point out that these are the first strikes Network Rail signallers have taken since 1994!
You come across as very little person who is bitter against anyone who actually uses the right to industrial action instead of towing the Tory Propaganda Bulls*it and the Daily Heil zombies who will be happy when workers rights will be diminished to a point like they have in the United States where there is no legal Holiday pay, Maternity and very few Workers rights.This post makes no sense. Are you suggesting that questioning the strike - or even disagreeing with it - is the same as intimidating, ignoring or ganging up on colleagues that choose not to strike? The latter is bullying.
The former most certainly isn’t. As for hatred, there’s most certainly none from me; I simply like to know why these things take place particularly as they affect me (both as a passenger - and a railway worker concerned about these bullying allegations against strike breakers), so please do not throw the “hate” tag around in such a silly, immature way as if anything it’s insulting to those on the opposing end of genuine hate.
We aren't different and other industries deserve a raise too , but it's their fight to have. As for other sectors accepting it , are they. Pretty sure NHS , teaching unions are warning of strikes and also barristersI’m sure at this point you just have a copy and paste response at the ready for those that disagree with you; there’s a running pattern with you calling everyone bitter.
No one has said they’re set aside; the point is that all other industries seem to acknowledge at the moment the economy is badly damaged; the country cannot afford to give immense pay rises at the moment and that is due to COVID, the Russian-Ukranian situation, etc. And it sucks, but the aforementioned industries understand why this is rather than causing national chaos. My query was why the railway must be different.
Your last comments highlight my points further, your stubborn and defensive attitude and childish remarks such as that last one will get you nowhere, especially you are responding to a query of mine, not a statement.
To be fair there are almost half a million National Education Union members and they're being balloted for strike action. Between NEU, Unison, GMB and Unite school staff of all grades are very likely to be taking industrial action this year.No one has said they’re set aside; the point is that all other industries seem to acknowledge at the moment the economy is badly damaged; the country cannot afford to give immense pay rises at the moment and that is due to COVID, the Russian-Ukranian situation, etc. And it sucks, but the aforementioned industries understand why this is rather than causing national chaos. My query was why the railway must be different.
How can you expect me to take your post seriously with such hyperbole, not to mention the language and childish phrases? You have no grounds for making such a presumption.You come across as very little person who is bitter against anyone who actually uses the right to industrial action instead of towing the Tory Propaganda Bulls*it and the Daily Heil zombies who will be happy when workers rights will be diminished to a point like they have in the United States where there is no legal Holiday pay, Maternity and very few Workers rights.
Wonderful. This is an answer to my question, without any silly language or presumptions. That was all I wanted. Thank you.We aren't different and other industries deserve a raise too , but it's their fight to have. As for other sectors accepting it , are they. Pretty sure NHS , teaching unions are warning of strikes and also lawyers/solicitors.
Again, many thanks for explaining. I did not state anything, rather I questioned that it seemed the railways were the only industry taking action. Now I have two sensible answers from you and baz962 and my query has been resolved.To be fair there are almost half a million National Education Union members and they're being balloted for strike action. Between NEU, Unison, GMB and Unite school staff of all grades are very likely to be taking industrial action this year.
To be honest I have no idea of the answers to those questions.When was their last pay rise? If they've had pay freezes for 10 years then a 25% pay rise now would be less than 2% every year for the last 10.
How many people are affected? And how much would the pay rise cost? I would guess rail workers make up a far greater number of people than publicly funded barristers.
Didn't I also read something about them having to do unpaid work due to government cuts to legal aid?
Be careful what comparisons you make.
Mick Lynch has just claimed that NR have sent out statutory redundancy notices - is this true and if so what group of NR workers have they been sent to?
When was their last pay rise? If they've had pay freezes for 10 years then a 25% pay rise now would be less than 2% every year for the last 10.
I don't like to make comparisons but essentially though the questions you ask are eerily similar and relevant to the rail industry too and the current dispute.
and entitlement by some of them, I’m still trying to establish what actually sets railway workers aside
Once again, who has said that?What makes the railway think we deserve a better payrise than them
Please see first copy and paste.No one has said they’re set aside
While there's multiple different rail strikes happening simultaneously, I'm pretty sure we'd had rail pay disputes in recent years because the initial offer has been for roughly the rate of inflation when the parent company of operator has turned over a multi-million pound profit, so the union thinks it should be more.
Then people would complain about hundreds of people on a picket line, ‘intimidating’ etc.One rule that should change regarding strikes in any sector is that staying at home shouldn't be permitted. If you're on strike, you should be compelled to attend a picket line for the duration of your shift.
Yes, because they are on strike. ie, legally withdrawing their Labour, as is their right.Semantics. They're not turning up for work.
I can not understand why the Unions have to be affiliated with Labour (or any party) at this point in history.
I think that's a question that needs asking. Why are these the first strikes since 1994 - it certainly doesn't play into the common view of the critics on here, media or government.Poor show, where have you all been??!
(I jest!)
Profit sharing and company performance related bonuses are often paid for this kind of situation in private companies. This gives employee buy-in on ensuring the company makes a fat profit. Perhaps that should be considered? Or is that dirty capitalism?
In my circles, that’s because it’s just another excuse to WFH & people are discreetly saying that they hope the strikes continue. It’s not like a pre-covid strike.
For publicly-traded companies, free share options are also often used as their tax treatment is preferential.Profit sharing and company performance related bonuses are often paid for this kind of situation in private companies. This gives employee buy-in on ensuring the company makes a fat profit. Perhaps that should be considered? Or is that dirty capitalism?
Profit sharing and company performance related bonuses are often paid for this kind of situation in private companies. This gives employee buy-in on ensuring the company makes a fat profit. Perhaps that should be considered? Or is that dirty capitalism?
As an employee I certainly prefer pay rises to bonuses. If you get a £500 pay rise, you get the extra £500 next year and every subsequent year as well, on top of any future pay rise. If you get a £1000 bonus one year then that's good but next year you might get no bonus.
For publicly-traded companies, free share options are also often used as their tax treatment is preferential.
On the subject of the pay offer that Network Rail made last week.i.e 2% + 0.5% + 0.5%. Putting some context to this. On my current rate of pay an increase of 0.5% equates to a one-off payment of £160, which is one month's payment to my energy supplier.
Happy to be corrected here, but does that really make sense in the context of the railway? My (admittedly uninformed) perception is that, by and large, railway workers do a fairly strictly defined job which doesn't allow them much leeway to be high or low performers. In terms of the financial success of the railway, I'd argue that's almost entirely out of their hands.Profit sharing and company performance related bonuses are often paid for this kind of situation in private companies. This gives employee buy-in on ensuring the company makes a fat profit. Perhaps that should be considered? Or is that dirty capitalism?
Happy to be corrected here, but does that really make sense in the context of the railway? My (admittedly uninformed) perception is that, by and large, railway workers do a fairly strictly defined job which doesn't allow them much leeway to be high or low performers.
In terms of the financial success of the railway, I'd argue that's almost entirely out of their hands.
In terms of going on strike, what is the intended outcome? What happens next?