When Will It All Go Wrong For The Tories/ Johnson?

[Lost property]

Look on the bright side, IF, he stays until Autumn, then at least Raab won't be, notionally, in charge....however, the hospitality sector and sales of alcohol can expect a surge in their profits...we await the Boris version of events at a "suitably emotional " podium speech...with or without Carrie...to add some pathos to the sad occasion....the dog and the cat will be delivering their own speeches later.

 

[RichJF]

Good riddance. Deceit, lies, sexual predators, unapologist, narcissist. Worst PM the UK has ever had in living memory.

 

[jfollows]

Good riddance. Deceit, lies, sexual predators, unapologist, narcissist. Worst PM the UK has ever had in living memory.

Worst since World War 2 in my opinion, and definitely the worst in my living memory (which just about goes back to Alec Douglas-Home).

 

[Acfb]

I'd certainly suggest the next PM will be more right wing than Boris. When push came to shove....Boris was a bit of a centrist greeny!

I do now think Truss has a good chance. My main fear is Mordaunt becoming PM TBH.

 

[Gloster]

Watch him if he tries to put off the handover until the party conference. He makes a rousing speech, which he is good at, gets a good reception and says, “My people need me: I shall stay.” It is unlikely, but possible.

More likely, he will have to make do with lasting into early August in order to exceed May’s tenure. What worries me is whether he will go quietly or trash the joint.

 

[Howardh]

Problem we have now is who comes next? They are all Priti awful, and probably all Brexit ultra-hardliners?

 

[DelayRepay]

Anyone know when the statement will be? I would like yo make sure I'm free to watch, preferably sith a glass of something

 

[STEVIEBOY1]

Problem we have now is who comes next? They are all Priti awful, and probably all Brexit ultra-hardliners?

Oh dear, spot the pun

 

[GS250]

Problem we have now is who comes next? They are all Priti awful, and probably all Brexit ultra-hardliners?

This being my exact point. Boris, whilst incompetent was able to attract support from those who never voted Tory in their life.

 

[jfollows]

Today is 246 days since the whipped debate on Owen Paterson (on 3 November 2021), which voted to delay consideration of Paterson's proposed 30-day suspension for breaching paid advocacy rules by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards. It could be argued that this was when things seriously started to go wrong for Boris Johnson, although of course there are other arguments. It's taken a long time to get rid of him since then.

Anyone know when the statement will be? I would like yo make sure I'm free to watch, preferably sith a glass of something

The suggestion I saw was that it would be "this morning", ie before lunchtime. However "today" seems to be the only detail in the line from Number Ten.
"Round about 12:30" said Nick Robinson on the radio just now.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

That wouldn't give us any more certainty - it'd still take a couple of months for the Conservative leadership election to run. (I do agree though that it'd probably be better if he resigned as PM, not just as Tory leader, today).

they can get to two by next Friday if the 22 committee get on with it

 

[J-2739]

So, looking at the thread title, it certainly has gone wrong for Boris Johnson, but has it gone wrong for the Conservative party? Maybe they'll have some time to pick themselves up by the Autumn with a fresh face and fresh policies.

 

[Phil56]

This being my exact point. Boris, whilst incompetent was able to attract support from those who never voted Tory in their life.

The same could be said of Tony Blair, the only Labour leader in half a century to win a GE. Mostly because knew how to attract support from traditional Tory voters.

 

[jfollows]

Sky saying 59 resignations from government now. Presumably that's going to be it.

 

[nr758123]

Carrie doesn't live here any more

 

[jfollows]

The same could be said of Tony Blair, the only Labour leader in half a century to win a GE. Mostly because knew how to attract support from traditional Tory voters.

You're right, but there was a parallel in 1997 in the sense that the Conservatives were unelectable then - I'd voted Conservative for my life by then, but no way was I going to vote for the shower of infighting incompetents then. The difference was I didn't (rightly, I think) trust Blair so I didn't vote for him either, but clearly others did in droves. And, of course, Labour was unelectable in 2019.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

So, looking at the thread title, it certainly has gone wrong for Boris Johnson, but has it gone wrong for the Conservative party? Maybe they'll have some time to pick themselves up by the Autumn with a fresh face and fresh policies.

No not yet which is why the men in grey suits have taken him out so they can rebuild themselves. The reality is Labour just can't cut it even with his disastrous performance to get ahead. Best outcome is a forced coalition at next GE but that's way off

 

[jfollows]

So, looking at the thread title, it certainly has gone wrong for Boris Johnson, but has it gone wrong for the Conservative party? Maybe they'll have some time to pick themselves up by the Autumn with a fresh face and fresh policies.

In my opinion, with the "bastards" (John Major July 1993 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/1993/jul/25/politicalnews.uk) such as John Redwood, Michael Howard, Peter Lilley & Michael Portillo and all the right-wing anti-EU faction which emerged in the 1990s was the starting point for me. Clearly many people will agree with me, but equally many won't.

 

[Shrop]

Good job we're more civilised in the UK than the USA, otherwise Boris might now be organising a march on Parliament which could lead to multiple deaths. Makes you think. (I was going to say "Is Boris going to do a Trump", but the meaning would have been completely lost! ).

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

He needs to be forced to resign but there are still too many Tory MPs who are infatuated with him even ones who've told him to stand down so i doubt we will see the back of him just yet.

Still looking forward to the Williams Shapps plan getting a makeover

 

[thenorthern]

What is strange is Boris won an election by a large margin only 2 and a half years ago. Back in 1999 there was no serious talk of replacing Tony Blair as leader of the Labour Party. It just shows how bad Boris actually was.

 

[hexagon789]

Resigning as leader today:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-62072419

1. Boris Johnson is to resign as Conservative leader today, the BBC is told, following further ministerial resignations this morning
   [*]But he plans to continue to serve as prime minister until the autumn to allow a Tory leadership contest to take place in the summer
   [*]Labour leader Keir Starmer welcomes the news, saying the Conservatives have "inflicted chaos upon the country" during a cost of living crisis
   [*]Some Tory MPs are calling for him to stand down immediately after more than 50 government ministers and aides quit his government
   [*]Nadhim Zahawi this morning told Johnson he must "go now", two days after being made chancellor
   [*]New Education Secretary Michelle Donelan and Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis resigned from cabinet
   [*]On Wednesday night, Boris Johnson sacked Michael Gove after the Levelling Up secretary told him to quit

 

[DynamicSpirit]

they can get to two by next Friday if the 22 committee get on with it

Only if you don't allow time for proper debates, and for people to understand what the various candidates stand for and what policies they propose, and to give time for anyone not up to the job to slip up/demonstrate in the campaign that they aren't up to the job. In other words, if you want to risk having another sub-par leader.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Honestly right now I'd say bringing back May for a bit is the most stable thing they could do

Why does this remind me of Richard Bailey singing "May till September"?

 

[Jon_jpwh]

Johnson will need to stay on as Prime Minister. He has all those resignation letters to reply to

 

[Cloud Strife]

Serious question, with so many government ministers having resigned, how does the government function until the Conservative party elects a new leader, and hence becomes the new PM?

It’s not like it’s only a small number of ministers that have resigned… And who would want to accept a post under Boris at the moment?

Just to answer this question properly:

In short, there are senior civil servants who run things on the basis of 'no changes'. So, they sign off on things needed to keep the previous state of affairs in place, but they don't do anything 'new' unless they're directed to do so by Parliament. If you look at Northern Ireland right now, this is how things are done: the civil servants implement the decisions made by the previous NI Executive.

So even if there's no functioning government, it doesn't really matter very much.

 

[Broucek]

What is strange is Boris won an election by a large margin only 2 and a half years ago. Back in 1999 there was no serious talk of replacing Tony Blair as leader of the Labour Party. It just shows how bad Boris actually was.

Without necessarily disagreeing with your last point, it's easy to forget how much of a pickle we were in back in 2019. Even as a Remain voter, I felt we needed someone who was genuinely determined to "Get Brexit Done". And of course the Corbyn alternative was beyond appalling.

 

[brad465]

That wouldn't give us any more certainty - it'd still take a couple of months for the Conservative leadership election to run. (I do agree though that it'd probably be better if he resigned as PM, not just as Tory leader, today).

Depends, May's contest lasted only 2 weeks after a dramatic withdrawal of candidates meant even a member's ballot wasn't necessary. That's not to say that will happen this time, although if Johnson decides to do anymore damage in the next 2 months that's untenable the contenders may try and come to an agreement to get a new one appointed quicker.

 

[jfollows]

Liz Truss is cutting short her foreign trip (to Indonesia) and rushing back, no surprise there. (Although I'd love it if they made her pay her air fare!)
Some people who've resigned have said they'll only come back if Boris is gone, so it looks increasingly likely that the party won't allow him to stick around until the start of October.
To me, the only problem might be that if - say - Raab takes over, then it'd only work if he's not also a candidate for replacing Boris; I don't think he'll win but that doesn't mean he won't try.
The compromise might be a process allowing a replacement to be elected and in place in August. It'll take a few weeks but doesn't have to last until October.

 

[Lost property]

Good job we're more civilised in the UK than the USA, otherwise Boris might now be organising a march on Parliament which could lead to multiple deaths. Makes you think. (I was going to say "Is Boris going to do a Trump", but the meaning would have been completely lost! ).

With the cost of fuel and train fares / cancellations, making a trip to Lahdan, guv, would be prohibitively expensive for many of us in the dark hinterland known as "the Regions "......a trip to the supermarket to acquire celebratory alcoholic refreshment however is an entirely different matter...