"Covid rising in England" - let's stop the fear mongering

[kez19]

What's the source of this? Done a quick search on "world health organization lockdown" and it's not coming up with any recent news - just things about the authoritarian and self-defeating extremism going on in China.

Found this… https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hu...news/face-masks-should-worn-avoid-7340427.amp

Face masks should be worn again to avoid another Covid lockdown, an expert immunologist has warned. It comes after Covid-19 cases have spiked by 29% in just one week, as figures published by the Office for National Statistics on Friday (July 15) show.

An estimated 3.4 million people in private homes have had the virus in the week up to July 6 and 7 - up from 2.7 the previous week. The jump is likely caused by increases in infections compatible with Omicron variants BA.4 and BA.5, experts said.

How about….no!

 

[Whistler40145]

Found this… https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hu...news/face-masks-should-worn-avoid-7340427.amp



How about….no!

We've nearly hit the peak and cases will once again start to drop off soon

 

[nw1]

Found this… https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hu...news/face-masks-should-worn-avoid-7340427.amp



How about….no!

Doesn't look like official WHO advice, though; just someone with what sounds like a pro-lockdown attitude.

As a scientist, this immunologist needs to be subject to some intense questioning to get to the bottom of their beliefs.

Such as: "if vast numbers of people did not die, or get seriously ill, during the previous Omicron peaks in December 2021 and March/April 2022, why are they likely to now?"

Or:

"The latest wave has already infected millions of people, most probably being completely unaware, so what difference will anything make now?"

 

[kez19]

The other sources… The Express and The mirror

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mi...-news/who-chief-urges-bring-back-27470930.amp

Amid a spike in Covid transmission and increasing hospitalisations, Dr Ghebreyesus urged governments to “deploy tried and tested measures like masking, improved ventilation and test and treat protocols”.

"I am concerned that cases of Covid-19continue to rise - putting further pressure on stretched health systems and health workers," he said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ex...esus-calls-mask-returns-pandemic-not-over/amp

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Doesn't look like official WHO advice, though; just someone with what sounds like a pro-lockdown attitude.

As a scientist, this immunologist needs to be subject to some intense questioning to get to the bottom of their beliefs.

Such as: "if vast numbers of people did not die, or get seriously ill, during the previous Omicron peaks in December 2021 and March/April 2022, why are they likely to now?"

Or:

"The latest wave has already infected millions of people, what difference will anything make now?"

Aah but the thing isn’t that the purpose the media themselves to question these people or they happy just to roll with it? The media on both sides do need their knuckles wrapped but I guess they need the COVID19 funding, if that goes do they go too?

 

[yorksrob]

The virus will be running out of new people to infect soon anyway.

The current situation may be a danger to countries with low vaccination rates, but the fact of life carrying on here even with high infection rates, speaks for itself.

 

[Whistler40145]

If whoever becomes Prime Minister has an ounce of common sense, they will continue with the living with Covid line

 

[kez19]

We've nearly hit the peak and cases will once again start to drop off soon

I agree it’s something I have learnt during this but seems clear media and whoever media speaks to are hellbent on wanting restrictions again just why? Let the media pay out of their coffers if they want this, not the governments

 

[Whistler40145]

The virus will be running out of new people to infect soon anyway.

The current situation may be a danger to countries with low vaccination rates, but the fact of life carrying on here even with high infection rates, speaks for itself.

It will eventually be like having Flu

 

[nw1]

The current situation may be a danger to countries with low vaccination rates,

Is that even the case, given how relatively mild Omicron is? Is it not comparable to the 1999 flu or 2009 swine flu, for which there were no lockdowns or restrictions at all? (I am not sure, it's a genuine question).

 

[Whistler40145]

I agree it’s something I have learnt during this but seems clear media and whoever media speaks to are hellbent on wanting restrictions again just why? Let the media pay out of their coffers if they want this, not the governments

Keeps them in a job to report doom and gloom

 

[kez19]

If whoever becomes Prime Minister has an ounce of common sense, they will continue with the living with Covid line

Yet looking at the heatwave in England for 2 days look who is more in control causing panic? You guessed it… the media!

 

[Whistler40145]

Is that even the case, given how mild Omicron is? Is it not comparable to the 1999 flu or 2009 swine flu, for which there were no lockdowns or restrictions at all? (I am not sure, it's a genuine question).

Sweden didn't introduce any restrictions

 

[nw1]

Yet looking at the heatwave in England for 2 days look who is more in control causing panic? You guessed it… the media!

In 1995 we had a heatwave lasting for weeks but there was no panic.
They should try visiting somewhere like Spain where heat can be a real, and genuine, problem.

 

[Whistler40145]

Yet looking at the heatwave in England for 2 days look who is more in control causing panic? You guessed it… the media!

The weather presenters are acting like the world will end in two days time, what a load of crap

 

[kez19]

Keeps them in a job to report doom and gloom

It’s a bit ironic to me again saying this as from the Scottish perspective here, but STV spoke to Linda Bauld and there was no panic yet media then all over the UK now are on overblown reporting (as I said before do the media themselves do a raffle onto the questions to ask? It seems that way!)

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The weather presenters are acting like the world will end in two days time, what a load of crap

I know!

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In 1995 we had a heatwave lasting for weeks but there was no panic.

The only thing I remember but can’t remember the year was the hosepipe ban but it didn’t go to extremes as of now (happy to stand corrected)

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Sweden didn't introduce any restrictions

SSH! You don’t say Sweden the media detested their way (UK media), but hey no apologies from them either!

 

[nw1]

SSH! You don’t say Sweden the media detested their way (UK media), but hey no apologies from them either!

Also Sweden are not, from what I gather, far-right Trumpist extremists (which is how people who bring up the downsides of lockdowns have often been painted as).

 

[DustyBin]

The other sources… The Express and The mirror

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mi...-news/who-chief-urges-bring-back-27470930.amp

What that clown should have said was “tried, tested, and failed measures”.

 

[yorksrob]

It will eventually be like having Flu

Or a cold - as it was in my case.

Is that even the case, given how relatively mild Omicron is? Is it not comparable to the 1999 flu or 2009 swine flu, for which there were no lockdowns or restrictions at all? (I am not sure, it's a genuine question).

Neither am I to be honest.

I guess it depends on how harmful the latest variants are to populations where the virus is still novel.

 

[duncanp]

Or a cold - as it was in my case.

Or a mild cold, as it currently is in my case.

Main downside is I can't really go to the pub on a very sunny day and enjoy a cold beer.

 

[yorksrob]

Or a mild cold, as it currently is in my case.

Main downside is I can't really go to the pub on a very sunny day and enjoy a cold beer.

Yes, that was my main problem with it !

 

[kez19]

What that clown should have said was “tried, tested, and failed measures”.

I’m surprised we are still listening to them as well!

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Also Sweden are not, from what I gather, far-right Trumpist extremists (which is how people who bring up the downsides of lockdowns have often been painted as).

Oh I knew that but it’s like I say and a point I will always go back to… the UK media have a lot to answer for!

 

[greyman42]

It will eventually be like having Flu

Omicron is nothing like flu, thankfully. It is a lot milder.

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I don't see how you can say that with certainty. What we got was what we go, long lockdowns and draconinan restrictions.

I would not say the restrictions were draconian as they were not heavily enforced, as they were in Italy for example. If people, such as myself, wanted to break them then they could.

 

[Whistler40145]

Omicron is nothing like flu, thankfully. It is a lot milder.

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I would not say the restrictions were draconian as they were not heavily enforced, as they were in Italy for example. If people, such as myself, wanted to break them then they could.

I tested positive and couldn't get out of bed for two days and felt nothing like a cold and more like Flu

 

[Richard Scott]

I tested positive and couldn't get out of bed for two days and felt nothing like a cold and more like Flu

Flu is more like two weeks in bed not two days!

 

[yorkie]

Nonetheless some of the particles of the aerosol will still land on the mask. I don't need evidence, it's just common sense.

Flimsy, loose fitting masks are not effective; aerosol particles are small enough to pass through the mask. In addition plenty of air containing aerosols goes around the sides of the mask.

Covid: Masks upgrade cuts infection risk, research finds

Wearing a high grade FFP3 mask can almost entirely protect health workers from Covid, research finds.

www.bbc.co.uk

Wearing a high grade mask known as an FFP3 can provide up to 100% protection.
By contrast, there is a far greater chance of staff wearing standard issue surgical masks catching the virus.

Though fluid resistant, these masks are relatively flimsy and loose-fitting and are not meant to screen out infectious aerosols - tiny virus particles that can linger in the air and are now widely accepted as a source of coronavirus infection.

The study found that there were 47 times more infections when flimsy, loose fitting masks were worn, compared to tight fitting FFP3 respirators. That's an absolutely massive difference.

I also believe the fact that their use was so widespread strengthens the case that they at least had some effect; the world isn't full of virtue-signaling, paranoid or medically misinformed people.

That's true, which is why hardly anyone wears a mask now that masks are no longer mandated.

I didn't see any virtue signalling mask wearers on either of my trains today

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It will eventually be like having Flu

It will go the same way as HCoV-OC43 and become the 5th endemic human Coronavirus.

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Found this… https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hu...news/face-masks-should-worn-avoid-7340427.amp



How about….no!

Denis Kinan sounds like an attention seeker who is best ignored. Their company, Cignpost Diagnostics Ltd, benefits from people being afraid of the virus by selling tests that they do not need.

I notice on Google their reviews are terrible:

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I did the four hour test and did not receive the results and it had been six hours now. I went to Heathrow Terminal 3 were I got my test done and spoke to the site manager JAMES. He said there was nothing we can do and is too late to get refund as you have done the test already. Then
another customer had the same problem as me and he was able to help them. I knew this was down to my race. He was rude, unprofessional and discriminated against me. @cignpostdiagnostics

Absolutely the worst experience of my life. These people are the rudest you will ever experience. I am an Australia with an Australian Mobile Phone and with an Australian Credit Card. The system refused to accept my credit card payment and I therefore missed my flight. WHY CAN' T THEY ACCEPT CASH? Absolutely the worst APP I have ever seen. WHAT ARE OLD PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO DO? Express Test does not deserve to operate this exclusive license at the airport. I will be complaining further. AVOID AT ALL COSTS - THESE PEOPLE ARE ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE.

still awaiting my refund radio silence seems to be the modus operandi of this organisation - any chance someone can deal with an already agreed refund

Rude staff didn’t make it easy for me at all missed my flight because of you people!

This individual is not world leading at all; quite the opposite, in fact.

I am confident the vast majority of people will not take the advice of this scoundrel; only a small proportion of the population act in accordance with his wishes and that will not change no matter how much he huffs and puffs.

 

[AlterEgo]

Sweden didn't introduce any restrictions

Yes they did, they had fairly heavy travel restrictions for the first half of the pandemic. I had to arrive via Finland last year. However, they did not mandate masks.

 

[43301]

What's the source of this? Done a quick search on "world health organization lockdown" and it's not coming up with any recent news - just things about the authoritarian and self-defeating extremism going on in China.

The Daily Sceptic and GB News both reported on it earlier in the week (with links to the original speech). So far as I recall the WHO weren't pushing for lockdowns, but were enciouraging governments to reintroduce face nappies and assorted other pointless 'Covid theatre'.

 

[Mikw]

Omicron is nothing like flu, thankfully. It is a lot milder.

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I would not say the restrictions were draconian as they were not heavily enforced, as they were in Italy for example. If people, such as myself, wanted to break them then they could.

Well, the laws were there, randomly enforced due to bad wording and lack of police, but they were there.

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The weather presenters are acting like the world will end in two days time, what a load of crap

Ever since that storm in 1987 which they underplayed - incorrectly - they now tend to highlight any risk. Prob best to do it this way. Of course you really should ignore the Daily Express about the weather, and the news as well. but that's another story!

 

[yorkie]

Does everyone else think the advice by the World Health Organisation to mask up and possibly introduce a lockdown is old hat and very much a backwards move?

Don't forget that when referring to any external sources, we do require a link and quote please

What's the source of this? Done a quick search on "world health organization lockdown" and it's not coming up with any recent news - just things about the authoritarian and self-defeating extremism going on in China.

I found this

WHO chief urges 'bring back face masks' as Covid pandemic 'nowhere near over'

As Covid-19 cases and deaths rise, the WHO director-general Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus urged governments to bring back measures as the pandemic is 'nowhere near over'

www.mirror.co.uk

Another challenge was communicating risk and building community trust in health tools, as well as public health social measures like masking, distancing and ventilation, he said.

I can't see a mention of lockdowns, just the usual desperate plea for masks and other ridiculous measures that we will not be implementing.

Tedros is absolutely desperate to stay relevant; perhaps WHO are able to get additional funding if the pandemic is prolonged?

I think he's an attention seeker.

I see the Mirror also trotted out communist Susan Michie, who came out with this gem:

She said: “We don’t have a public health policy for Covid right now and if we don’t act, we’ll get variants that are even more infectious and these will lead to increased hospitalisations and deaths.

This is absolute nonsense; Sars-CoV-2 continues to evolve and adapt in line with expectations; humans cannot prevent natural selection and evolution occurring.

I don't understand why the media give people like her the attention they crave.

Meanwhile, more sensible scientists are not approached for comment. Why is that? Probably because they won't say outrageous things and it won't generate so many clicks/views/reads. Some journalists really are absolutely atrocious.

 

[Eyersey468]

I agree Tedros and Michie are attention seekers, though it depends what he means by the pandemic being over. If he means Covid being eradicated then it will never be over in that respect as it will always be with us.