I didn't say i would, did i? (I didn't before) However, i could expect a large fine (and possibly a criminal record depending on the severity of the emergency law) , however unfair it was.
As could we all.
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"Covid rising in England" - let's stop the fear mongering
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As could we all.
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As I keep saying people just aren't going to tolerate it, so good luck to anyone who tries to impose fines.
I think you're out of touch if you think people would accept another lockdown. I wouldn't and there would be so many people who wouldn't; the police would not be able to do anything.
Lockdown 1 was the only one that had strict enforcement because, as time went on, more and more people realised it was a con and didn't go along with it.
Out of interest, what needs to happen for the NHS to be defined as overwhelmed? I would argue that it's already there. Six million people on waiting lists, multiple hour waits for an ambulance. How bad does it need to get? 10 hour wait for an ambulance? I've basically resigned myself to that fact that if I need an ambulance, I'm probably dead.
I don't see how wearing a mask on a train or shutting things down will have any meaningful impact on the above. A strict China style lockdown with a ban on alcohol and power tools would probably help but it would need to be in place for months or years. In which case what is the point in being alive?
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It depends which question was being asked and where
Outside a hospital ?
Of course if a person never wore a mask for 100 trips out except for the one time that someone was sitting near them on a crowded train snuffling and sneezing they would be in the catagory of 40 %
A criminal record is no big deal for the vast majority of people. It is regularly over-egged on this forum.
And reduced even further:
Latest Daily UK COVID-19 Data: Vaccines, Cases, Trends | ZOE
COVID infection & vaccination rates in the UK today, based on public data and reports from millions of users of the ZOE Health Study app
health-study.joinzoe.com
The game is up for the maskivists who so desperately wanted to mandate masks before the reduction in infections, so that masks could claim the credit.
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And reduced even further:
Latest Daily UK COVID-19 Data: Vaccines, Cases, Trends | ZOE
COVID infection & vaccination rates in the UK today, based on public data and reports from millions of users of the ZOE Health Study app
The game is up for the maskivists who so desperately wanted to mandate masks before the reduction in infections, so that masks could claim the credit.
I still think Zoe was overexaggerated by hay fever season too, given it is a mostly symptom-based survey, with the peak also coinciding with peak pollen counts.
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I think common sense dictates but the idiot maskevists don't realise that once we reach the levels we are at then the virus will likely run out of the vulnerable people to infect very soonAnd reduced even further:
Latest Daily UK COVID-19 Data: Vaccines, Cases, Trends | ZOE
COVID infection & vaccination rates in the UK today, based on public data and reports from millions of users of the ZOE Health Study app
The game is up for the maskivists who so desperately wanted to mandate masks before the reduction in infections, so that masks could claim the credit.
They are assuming it will affect everyone which is nonsense
A member of our household who had it but neither my partner nor I caught it and I assume many people are in the same boat with having good immune systems
( I am not sure if I have ever had it. The only time i had symptoms which was a loss of taste and smell a PCR was negative)
I did have 2 vaccinations which I believe were effective against Delta but I have not had a booster and will not do so since:
I believe the government are probably trying to get rid of vaccinations that are reaching their use by date
I am not convinced that they are particularly effective against Omicron
Finally a gem from my GP vis SMS exactly as it came
We still strongly encourage mask wearing and social distancing as very effective methods of avoiding Covid-19 infection
( although since the senior GP went to The Daily Mail and advocated Mandatory Vaccinations in contradiction to NHS ethics I am not really surprised)
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This week's Coronavirus gov dashboard updated today. Cases are 14.4% DOWN! So all those(including the press and media) banging on about "Covid cases on the rise again"(and similar wording) and calling for "Covid restrictions to be brought back" must now shut up about this. They've lost! Covid cases are now on the DECREASE again. Absolutely no need whatsoever for any pointless stupid hassly nuisancey wreckless restrictions to be brought back!
I see Sky News have still got their "COVID infections rise 29% as 3.5 million people estimated to have virus in the UK" on their homepage, which has been on there for the past week. They need to take that down IMMEDIATELY now! If it's still on there tomorrow I shall email them to request they take it down immediately!
I see Sky News have still got their "COVID infections rise 29% as 3.5 million people estimated to have virus in the UK" on their homepage, which has been on there for the past week. They need to take that down IMMEDIATELY now! If it's still on there tomorrow I shall email them to request they take it down immediately!
VauxhallandI
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Do they have a fake news button we can hit?
Indeed; furthermore the gov.uk Coronavirus dashboard shows the peak as around 3rd-7th July at a time when Zoe said cases were still rising, and continued to rise according to Zoe for over a week after that!
The media went crazy on the same day that Zoe reached the peak. I suspect they were tipped off by Zoe that cases were actually declining and that Zoe was going to be updated with a lower figure the next day.
As I've said before I think Zoe is no longer the first to show a change in trend and I think it's no longer anywhere near as accurate as it was. I suspect this is partly due to fewer people participating, evolution of the virus making it more adapted for humans and therefore less pathogenic/virulent, lower availability of tests, and of course most crucially our increasing levels of population immunity as we become closer to reaching endemic equilibrium.
A further reduction has been posted today:
Latest Daily UK COVID-19 Data: Vaccines, Cases, Trends | ZOE
COVID infection & vaccination rates in the UK today, based on public data and reports from millions of users of the ZOE Health Study app
health-study.joinzoe.com
I don't think the media will rush to go with headlines about declining cases as that isn't scary/newsworthy enough to attract clicks/views.
But the thing is… the likes of the BBC/Sky don’t do fake news remember? The public had focused more on RT (Russia Today), creating fake news!
It's not something you want though is it? Especially when it comes to travel and future employment
ITU capacity can be easily overwhelmed. there's just enough beds for a "normal" year, but not geared up for a pandemic.
One of the biggest problems is Covid requires distancing, so you actually lose some beds on a Covid infused ITU ward.
Good news that cases are coming down though.
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This was on the local BBC news this morning.
"Mask and sanitiser plea as Covid-19 cases rise in Walsall"
"Mask and sanitiser plea as Covid-19 cases rise in Walsall"
The government's Coronavirus dashboard updated yesterday shows a10.2% drop in cases in Walsall for the 7 days up to 15th July, but we can't put out good news can we!
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Curious, what are peoples employers doing if you catch covid? A lot now are treating covid as any other sickness. If you catch it, are you REQUIRED to go sick, or can you still attend if you feel able?
A few I speak to have to go sick, which can’t be doing our economic recovery any good now, especially as we are in the “live with it, and get on with it” stage.
A few I speak to have to go sick, which can’t be doing our economic recovery any good now, especially as we are in the “live with it, and get on with it” stage.
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It goes back another step though doesn't it?
I started sneezing on Sunday night and have had what I call a cold this week. I have worked at home because I felt a bit ****; tomorrow however I will work in the office.
No tests nothing to see?
If it is just a minor offence then it is no big deal.
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I see Sky News STILL has the "Covid infections rise 29%....." article on their website. I have just emailed them to request they remove it as soon as possible as it is no longer the case that Covid infections rise 29%. I've also mentioned to them that whenever Covid infections they(and other media outlets) are very quick to post numerous doom mongering articles about rising Covid infections and so called "experts" saying "Covid restrictions MUST return", etc. Yet when it's the other way around and positive news that Covid infections are FALLING, they barely mention this. Let's see if they reply(probably not!) and if and how long they take to remove that "Covid infections rise 29%" article from their homepage!
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Could be, depends on what job you're after, and what country you want to go to.
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I heard also that they are tracing his contacts. That should be interesting as he has been travelling to other countries.
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Because he's the President of the US and he's 79 years old. If he croaks it will matter to all of us.
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He's more likely to croak doing one of his stumbles down the Air Force One stairs than he is of COVID.
That is true; see above, and the Zoe estimate fell even further yesterday:
Latest Daily UK COVID-19 Data: Vaccines, Cases, Trends | ZOE
COVID infection & vaccination rates in the UK today, based on public data and reports from millions of users of the ZOE Health Study app
health-study.joinzoe.com
Many journalists are reluctant to report this (despite being keen to report instances of cases rising) as it doesn't suit their narrative.
The estimated case rate of symptomatic infections is massive; we also know a very significant proportion of people are asymptomatic (in the early days this was around 1 in 3 but must surely now be far higher than that) and therefore the proportion of infections which now lead to serious illness bust be absolutely miniscule.
This is good evidence that Sars-CoV-2 is becoming the 5th endemic human Coronavirus and that we really need to just live our lives completely normally. No scaremongering. No telling people what they should or shouldn't wear or do. Everyone is going to be exposed to Sars-CoV-2 multiple times in our lifetimes. Everyone who wants to be vaccinated has been (with the vast majority taking that offer up) and while the vaccines do not stop infections, they reduce the effects of the virus to something similar to the commonly circulating respiratory viruses to which we already have good immunity.
It's time to move on, but sadly many journalists will be reluctant to admit this as that isn't good news for them as they want to be able to continue to stoke fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD). The standard of journalism is generally very poor these days, with of course some notable exceptions!
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That is true; see above, and the Zoe estimate fell even further yesterday:
Latest Daily UK COVID-19 Data: Vaccines, Cases, Trends | ZOE
COVID infection & vaccination rates in the UK today, based on public data and reports from millions of users of the ZOE Health Study app
I wouldn't take Zoe too seriously. The actual figures are at https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/, the ONS survey is also fairly reliable but always a few weeks out of date.
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While it may not be not accurate in reflecting the true number of infections, I think Yorkie's point
is that it shows that it gives a good indication of the overall trend, which has been consistently
downwards for the past week or so...
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I'm not sure it does really give a good indication of the overall trend. It used to be a good leading indicator until last summer, but since then it hasn't really been. The actual figures are available, and show a decreasing trend, I would trust that more than Zoe.
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I see the BBC are at it too today:
UK Covid cases continue to rise
Latest data shows some 3.8m people have coronavirus - up a quarter of a million on the week before.
www.bbc.co.uk
It then goes on to explain that:
...but how many people will read that far into the article rather than just the headline and first paragraph,
so I think this definitely qualifies as yet more BBC 'fear mongering'
MARK
I was about to post about this FAKE headline but you beat me to it.I see the BBC are at it too today:
UK Covid cases continue to rise
Latest data shows some 3.8m people have coronavirus - up a quarter of a million on the week before.www.bbc.co.uk
It then goes on to explain that:
...but how many people will read that far into the article rather than just the headline and first paragraph,
so I think this definitely qualifies as yet more BBC 'fear mongering'
MARK
The BBC have plunged to new lows; they really are a disgrace.
The headline is completely misleading and their disclaimer that " more recent figures suggest cases may be on the way down" does not excuse their actions and is a huge understatement.
Note their use of words such as "suggests" and "may"; these weasel words were chosen very carefully in order to suit the BBC's agenda.
The BBC say "People are still able to catch the infection even if they have had Covid before"; this is not technically wrong but the wording is, in my opinion, at best incomplete and at worst misleading, as the majority of infections are not reinfections, despite the vast majority of the population having already been exposed to Sars-CoV-2.
The BBC grudgingly admit towards the end of the article that fewer hospital admissions are testing positive and that there are fewer admissions.
The wording of this article is disgraceful, but is entirely consistent with the stance and behaviour I now expect of the BBC. I used to consider the BBC a far more respectable and trustworthy source of information prior to the pandemic, but my confidence in the BBC is now at an all time low and I now finding myself questioning many of their articles, not just Covid ones.
I can't see a name associated with this article. I'd like to see those responsible brought to account and for a full investigation to take place into the BBC's reporting of the pandemic throughout the past couple of years.
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