The ex-GC Mk4 introduction on Manchester - Swansea services will likely enable internal cascading of other diesel stock to replace the 3 170s.
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I'd imagine TfW are committed to the end of lease agreement with them. Regardless of their own fleet introduction issues. The Mk4s will displace some 175s anyway. The 197s should start to be in service by the end if Oct, although that does keep being pushed back.
There's still no news it seems on the progress of the 2 damaged 150s from Craven Arms being returned to service. The Northern 150s are currently covering them, when the original plan was for them to balance the 230 delays.
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They can use a 153 on the Newport to Crosskeys train instead of a 170, they are doing that today! 153323 first but a problem with it so now its 153353
Yes, I had 170270 on the Newport Crosskeys on 24th August - not many on board
I imagine that will be the case. Currently there seem to be at least 3 sprinters on the South Wales-Manchester's covering for 175s so I'm not sure if there is an issue with the 175 availability at the moment but from December there should be enough 175s to cover all diagrams with the introduction of the MK4. This along with 197s hopefully starting on some diagrams in the North should free up enough sprinters to cover Maesteg and Ebbw Vale.
170UTD
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Looks like that might be a permanent change of diagram from a 170 to a 153 in preparation for two-car the 170s moving to EMR. 153935 was on that route yesterday and 153913 is on it today.
Jacob Porrett
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How many 170s are due to move across to EMR from WMR in December please?
Certainly is this week, now showing as diagram CF589 on Genius which is for a 153. The 170s are CF4xx.
170UTD
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Picture on Facebook of 170422 sat at Etches Park with EMR branding on it. So that just leaves 424 to be done now I think.
Liam L
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Depends how many can be released by 196s I would presume. I’m sure they would need a few if they need 156s out for Northern.
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Is it now in aubergine?
No, they're being painted next year. They're running in Southern livery with EMR Regional branding for now.
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Well that should make for some photo oops.
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what about the 3 car class 170s?
TT-ONR-NRN
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Is there any indication of when the former 171s will enter service?
Any time now. I believe it was delayed by the Unite fitters strike but they should be up and running imminently.
fgwrich
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Will they still be on their own limited diagrams or has Derby been able to change any of the couplers / sourced some replacement BSIs yet?
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Hybridversa104
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Nice pic!
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Excellent. There are certainly more 170s appearing on Liverpool services currently. The three car services seem to cope alright with loadings, but definitely not the two car 170s. The 1051 ex Liverpool Lime Street seems to be a 170 diagram now.
It isn't - just struggling for 156 and 158 availability and the number of 156s in the fleet is reducing. Potential at some point to see 158s and 170s working in multi as an interim measure as the fleet balance shifts.
That diagram is the most convenient to use a 170 on - it doesn't start or finish at Norwich so you're not committed to having one out of place for more than a day.
I like it! Sunday showed up a very rare 6 car 170. The 18:51 off Liverpool terminated at Manchester Oxford Road so the following service came up and attached to it, taking both sets to Nottingham as a 6 car. I was told that both sets were in use too, and quite full! It was 170417 and 418
childwallblues
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170417 was in Liverpool on Sunday afternoon.
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Now that the 196s are starting to enter service (who would have ever thought that?!), hopefully the rest of the 170/5s will start to move over on a one-196-in-one-170-out basis. I can imagine that EMR, as the lessee, is getting more and more frustrated that its 170s are having to stay even longer with the sub-lessee.
Anyway, without wanting to incite a response of “well, what would WMR use if they didn’t have the 170s??”, is there a clause in rolling stock lease contracts stating that the lessee can recall the sub-leased stock back at any time regardless of the consequences for the sub-lessee? If such a clause exists, I assume that EMR have been wanting to trigger it for ages?
Anyway, without wanting to incite a response of “well, what would WMR use if they didn’t have the 170s??”, is there a clause in rolling stock lease contracts stating that the lessee can recall the sub-leased stock back at any time regardless of the consequences for the sub-lessee? If such a clause exists, I assume that EMR have been wanting to trigger it for ages?
The trains work where they work, the DfT directs it. Sometimes sub optimal decisions are made to move stock around, it's not really up to the TOCs.
Some will be moving over shortly, with some more 156s going to Northern and apparently the Angel Trains 4 being withdrawn, with further transfers due in time for the summer when the 196s start on the Hereford line, apparently.
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Nice photo of 170418 and 170420 at Warrington Central!
I thought Food Love Stories was long gone.
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I've heard they're now Branded EMR in Ex-SN Livery... any pictures?
Two of them will be transferring this weekend.