Merseyrail Class 777 introduction updates

[karlbbb]

There were actually two on the Ormskirk yesterday.

Was this due to a fault? Isn't the Ormskirk line now half and half? Still need 3 PEPs on there to double-up the rush hour capacity.

 

[Sam 76]

Was this due to a fault? Isn't the Ormskirk line now half and half? Still need 3 PEPs on there to double-up the rush hour capacity.

Perhaps progress on the 8 car front. There was a test run last night Kirkdale to Southport with a double set. 001 and 018 doing the honours

 

[315801]

Sounds like there is a solution in the pipeline to finally sorting out why odd and even numbered units will not run together.

Hopefully that test run will finally yield the results they've been looking for in order to solve the problem

 

[karlbbb]

Perhaps progress on the 8 car front. There was a test run last night Kirkdale to Southport with a double set. 001 and 018 doing the honours

Ah that's definitely good news! Hopefully we're on the cusp of fully switching Ormskirk.

 

[MattRat]

Ah that's definitely good news! Hopefully we're on the cusp of fully switching Ormskirk.

And with 8 cars instead of crammed into 4 cars. Are they actually doing something....right?

 

[Ribbleman]

Was this due to a fault? Isn't the Ormskirk line now half and half? Still need 3 PEPs on there to double-up the rush hour capacity.

Why, after more than 40 years, are people suddenly erroneously describing 507 and 508 units as PEPs? There were only 3 PEP units, the first P standing for Prototype. What followed was a series of units of different classes, derived from but not the same as, the PEPs.

 

[karlbbb]

Why, after more than 40 years, are people suddenly erroneously describing 507 and 508 units as PEPs? There were only 3 PEP units, the first P standing for Prototype. What followed was a series of units of different classes, derived from but not the same as, the PEPs.

Please forgive a casual interest in the rail for using an incorrect nomenclature.

 

[prod_pep]

Why, after more than 40 years, are people suddenly erroneously describing 507 and 508 units as PEPs? There were only 3 PEP units, the first P standing for Prototype. What followed was a series of units of different classes, derived from but not the same as, the PEPs.

Spot on. The 507/8s are PEP-derived.

The 777s have dropped like flies today and reportedly 508137 is now on the Kirkby line as cover.

 

[The_Train]

Why, after more than 40 years, are people suddenly erroneously describing 507 and 508 units as PEPs? There were only 3 PEP units, the first P standing for Prototype. What followed was a series of units of different classes, derived from but not the same as, the PEPs.

What difference does it make, if I say a Merseyrail PEP instead of a PEP-derived is anyone not going to know what I mean?

 

[Ribbleman]

Please forgive a casual interest in the rail for using an incorrect nomenclature.

That’s quite alright. It wasn’t intended as a personal criticism, I just wanted to clear up any possible confusion. There may be younger contributors who may be misled into believing that there were ever more than 3 PEP units.

 

[L401CJF]

That’s quite alright. It wasn’t intended as a personal criticism, I just wanted to clear up any possible confusion. There may be younger contributors who may be misled into believing that there were ever more than 3 PEP units.

A friend of mine refers to them as PEPs, replacing the P for Prototype with P for production

Im told 777007, 777012 and 777018 failed today due to a mix of comms/PIS/door faults. Unsure which suffered which or where or when!

 

[Bletchleyite]

Why, after more than 40 years, are people suddenly erroneously describing 507 and 508 units as PEPs? There were only 3 PEP units, the first P standing for Prototype. What followed was a series of units of different classes, derived from but not the same as, the PEPs.

I've called them that for years when talking about the whole set of units derived from the PEP i.e. 507/508/313/314/315, as that's rather a mouthful. I tend to use 507/8 or 50x to talk about the Merseyrail ones specifically. I think most on here do.

 

[D821]

I've been told there are two of the new units at West Kirby this morning, not been able to verify this, though.

 

[irish_rail]

A friend of mine refers to them as PEPs, replacing the P for Prototype with P for production

Im told 777007, 777012 and 777018 failed today due to a mix of comms/PIS/door faults. Unsure which suffered which or where or when!

Has any other train fleet introduction been quite THIS bad? I'm not sure i can recall anything where every day would see multiple failures of an already very small fleet, and for months on end. I find this level of failures frankly shocking?!

 

[D821]

Has any other train fleet introduction been quite THIS bad? I'm not sure i can recall anything where every day would see multiple failures of an already very small fleet, and for months on end. I find this level of failures frankly shocking?!

The 230s say hi.

 

[Killingworth]

Has any other train fleet introduction been quite THIS bad? I'm not sure i can recall anything where every day would see multiple failures of an already very small fleet, and for months on end. I find this level of failures frankly shocking?!

769s?

 

[irish_rail]

769s?

Neither these or 230s are NEW though. And both have ended up either being given up on or scaled back . Here's hoping Merseyrail nip these 777 things in the bud and send them packing elsewhere! Give me a 50x any day of the week!

 

[Vespa]

Neither these or 230s are NEW though. And both have ended up either being given up on or scaled back . Here's hoping Merseyrail nip these 777 things in the bud and send them packing elsewhere! Give me a 50x any day of the week!

Unfortunately 50x can't run forever, parts and ageing vehicle structure will eventually stop it running.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Unfortunately 50x can't run forever, parts and ageing vehicle structure will eventually stop it running.

You pretty much can make a train run forever, just like you can a car (there are Ford Model Ts out there, and enough preserved railway kit). It just comes down to when it ceases to be economic to do so. Trains are more like houses than cars in that sense which is why 40-50 years is a typical lifespan. Parts can always be fabricated and electronic equipment replaced with more modern kit.

Note, I don't think they should be keeping 50x running indefinitely (just replace the awful seats on the 777s ), but if they did want to it's possible.

 

[ExRes]

Here's hoping Merseyrail nip these 777 things in the bud and send them packing elsewhere! Give me a 50x any day of the week!

I can well imagine the sight of all those 777s on the back of Allelys lorries, but I guess they'll have to wait in line for all your Hitachi tat to be replaced by HSTs first

 

[childwallblues]

I can well imagine the sight of all those 777s on the back of Allelys lorries, but I guess they'll have to wait in line for all your Hitachi tat to be replaced by HSTs first

Nicely said.

 

[irish_rail]

I can well imagine the sight of all those 777s on the back of Allelys lorries, but I guess they'll have to wait in line for all your Hitachi tat to be replaced by HSTs first

You can choose to be sarcastic about it. Personally I think Stadler should be held to account, for the good of the people of Merseyside and Cheshire. I know people who actually travel the lines they work on a daily basis, not enthusiasts at all by the way , and they are absolutely disgusted by the fall in service reliability, and the shocking seating and train ambience.

 

[Geeves]

Looks like another one went pop earlier at Sandhills, quite a few delays

 

[lrailadventure]

Looks like another one went pop earlier at Sandhills, quite a few delays

Believe it was 777013 failing at Sandhills earlier.

You can choose to be sarcastic about it. Personally I think Stadler should be held to account, for the good of the people of Merseyside and Cheshire. I know people who actually travel the lines they work on a daily basis, not enthusiasts at all by the way , and they are absolutely disgusted by the fall in service reliability, and the shocking seating and train ambience.

I've given up using Merseyrail for the time being. Ormskirk and Kirkby lines have both become too unreliable to be able to know you're going to actually get to your destination. I'm having to use the bus if I want to get to Liverpool, or Northern for anywhere else.

Watching all the enthusiasts come here for a morning, fall in love the train and then leave again is a bit tiresome now, knowing they they don't have to deal with the regular cancellations. They have their good parts don't get me wrong, but they're still fundamentally flawed and feel like they've been rushed into service..

 

[Mordac]

Believe it was 777013 failing at Sandhills earlier.


I've given up using Merseyrail for the time being. Ormskirk and Kirkby lines have both become too unreliable to be able to know you're going to actually get to your destination. I'm having to use the bus if I want to get to Liverpool, or Northern for anywhere else.

Watching all the enthusiasts come here for a morning, fall in love the train and then leave again is a bit tiresome now, knowing they they don't have to deal with the regular cancellations. They have their good parts don't get me wrong, but they're still fundamentally flawed and feel like they've been rushed into service..

Which is amazing considering how long they actually took to get them there!

 

[lrailadventure]

Which is amazing considering how long they actually took to get them there!

They've gone from relatively simple trains to relatively complex trains, I was expecting some issues but not to this extent. They started at the end of January but there doesn't seem to be any levelling off of issues yet. When does teething problems get accepted as just general faults with the units?

 

[Sam 76]

They have been much better in recent weeks though. It just seems they are throwing a hissy fit for some reason this week

 

[L401CJF]

777008 and 010 also gone again today. Mix of CCTV fault, PIS fault, "web socket" fault. Believe one had a step board fault too. As always not sure which had what fault and when/where.

 

[stuu]

They've gone from relatively simple trains to relatively complex trains, I was expecting some issues but not to this extent. They started at the end of January but there doesn't seem to be any levelling off of issues yet. When does teething problems get accepted as just general faults with the units?

I would have a look at any of the threads on here about any new trains since forever. This level of faults is entirely typical, for all sorts of reasons. It would be more surprising if this didn't happen

 

[Bertie the bus]

They have been much better in recent weeks though. It just seems they are throwing a hissy fit for some reason this week

They haven't. People have just got bored of posting failures but they have still regularly been occurring.

I would have a look at any of the threads on here about any new trains since forever. This level of faults is entirely typical, for all sorts of reasons. It would be more surprising if this didn't happen

This level of faults isn't entirely typical at all. Daily failures requiring removal from service when only a handful of units are in service. That isn't typical.