Southern 171's on the Ashford Brighton line have doors released by driver and closed by the guard.
TheWalrus:781870 said:So 172s can? And will they be?
What about lm?TheWalrus:781870 said:So 172s can? And will they be?
They already are on Chiltern.
There aren't any diesel routes which are DOO in passenger service on London Midland.What about lm?
ok. So they could but wont?Also 168s.
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There aren't any diesel routes which are DOO in passenger service on London Midland.What about lm?
i realise that but wheres the mirror at bedwyn? I dont recall one there im sure theres not one at every station!It's not just the trains that need to be DOO but the routes. Stations need mirrors or CCTV displays. The entire route needs Cab Secure Radio coverage. It's also got to get past the Unions, and they wouldn't be too happy at the prospect of their members loosing their jobs or being downgraded (lets not start a DOO vs. guards debate, just stating the facts here). It's why the Lowestoft and Peterborough to London services were only DOO south of Ipswich as the line south of Ipswich is cleared for DOO but north is not. There are plenty of EMUs which can run DOO that run with guards. Chilterns 172s are DOO but other than the Birmingham service Chiltern has been DOO since the 165s arrived. LO 172s have guards, as do the 378s.
i realise that but wheres the mirror at bedwyn? I dont recall one there im sure theres not one at every station!
i realise that but wheres the mirror at bedwyn? I dont recall one there im sure theres not one at every station!
There isnt a mirror at every DOO station. A lot of stations with straight platforms, or platforms which curve into the train where the saloon doors open on the left hand side in the direction of travel (ie, non island platforms where the doors are on the drivers side of the train) can be "look back" stations. The driver is expected to look back from his/her window before closing the doors and look again to make sure everything is as it should be before taking power. It is often a point of contention amongst drivers and is often discussed at health and safety meetings. Personally I think there should be a mirror or CCTV monitors at every DOO station.
With the driver sitting on the left, look-back is of course not possible where the platform is on the right- such as island platforms.
If LM continue with their current practice, it will still be the guard who will control the doors. However it may change to the Driver releasing the doors and then closing them when the conductor gives the signal . 3 bell pattern isn't it? Then the conductor gives two presses of the buzzer to the driver which he replies to. That is what Chiltern do.
That's going to add a few more crucial seconds onto dwell time though, which is not good on runs with lots of stops like the LM 172s will be doing. Instead of the guard closing the doors themselves they are signalling to the driver to close the doors, so it takes longer. As far as I know only the Voyagers and Possibly Pendolinos do that, and there it doesn't matter as much because they are not stopping as often (for a Voyager 30 seconds is about the time between the guard signalling to close the doors and signalling right away). Chiltern mostly run DOO. The Birmingham services use guards, but I can't see why they wouldn't have the guard controlling the doors as on other Turbostars. The 121 has the driver release the doors but the guard lock them. This is quite common and possibly will be used by LM, and perhaps is what Chiltern do.
If LM continue with their current practice, it will still be the guard who will control the doors. However it may change to the Driver releasing the doors and then closing them when the conductor gives the signal . 3 bell pattern isn't it? Then the conductor gives two presses of the buzzer to the driver which he replies to. That is what Chiltern do.