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Red18

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I had to work with screen dumps then photo copies, but it worked! As for the trp just go in on the day is my best advise as you can't really practise any of the others part from the bourdon

There's a print option so no need to screen grab. (if we're talking about the same app)
 
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Louby

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There's a print option so no need to screen grab. (if we're talking about the same app)

only have an ipad so useless, ended up getting a mate to screen print (she had no printer)!! so i was revising off 3rd hand copies on c*** paper, got to the day and thought WOW lovely white paper lol....
 

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only have an ipad so useless, ended up getting a mate to screen print (she had no printer)!! so i was revising off 3rd hand copies on c*** paper, got to the day and thought WOW lovely white paper lol....

lol, I remember thinking how clear and spaced out the dots were compared to the practice sheets too. The test was far easier than the practice sheets which was a nice start to the day. :)
 

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Might sound like a stupid question.....how big are the sheets of paper on this test as I have photocopied dots on A4 paper. Is this too big to practise on?
 

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Might sound like a stupid question.....how big are the sheets of paper on this test as I have photocopied dots on A4 paper. Is this too big to practise on?

No, they are smaller on the day but practice on A4 and you will fly through it, no speed to start thou get the accuracy first
 

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Read through this thread and have an ok idea of what's needed, but here's a question....

10-12 rows with a few mistakes or 8-10 with no mistakes?

Trying to get an idea of the scoring method.

:|
 

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Read through this thread and have an ok idea of what's needed, but here's a question....

10-12 rows with a few mistakes or 8-10 with no mistakes?

Trying to get an idea of the scoring method.

:|

8-10 no mistakes ( I presume this post is not the one you keep deleting!)
 

Lee.P

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So, are you saying 8/10 rows with no mistakes is better than 11/12 with a few mistakes? Because that's very doable.
 

Red18

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So, are you saying 8/10 rows with no mistakes is better than 11/12 with a few mistakes? Because that's very doable.

I would suggest accuracy over speed every time.
Aim for 10 rows / no errors and you'll be fine.
 

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I would suggest accuracy over speed every time.
Aim for 10 rows / no errors and you'll be fine.

Yawn!!!! Aim for the maximum amount of rows you can complete with NO errors even if it is only 7!!!!!
 

Red18

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Yawn!!!! Aim for the maximum amount of rows you can complete with NO errors even if it is only 7!!!!!

Sorry if I'm boring you!
I was merely answering Lee's specific question whether it is better to do 8/10 rows without errors (which, I assume he thinks he is capable of - hence the question) or 11/12 rows with.

@Lee
Obviously if you can do 20/25 rows without errors then do that!
But if you want to know if 8/10 rows without errors is good enough then all I can say is yes (speaking from very recent experience).
 

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Sorry if I'm boring you!
I was merely answering Lee's specific question whether it is better to do 8/10 rows without errors (which, I assume he thinks he is capable of - hence the question) or 11/12 rows with.

@Lee
Obviously if you can do 20/25 rows without errors then do that!
But if you want to know if 8/10 rows without errors is good enough then all I can say is yes (speaking from very recent experience).

You wasn't boring me but if you read though this thread I have on many occasions given the advice I have yet again given. It seems that folks (not you Red) but many need hand feeding
 

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You wasn't boring me but if you read though this thread I have on many occasions given the advice I have yet again given. It seems that folks (not you Red) but many need hand feeding

lol, no probs.
I only thought your comment was aimed at me because you quoted my comment.
I do agree however. Most of the info is there wirh a little searching, especially with tests like GB that remain unchanged with the updated assessments.
 

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How are these results for a beginner?

Overall Statistics:
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Perception & Attention:

Targets Omitted ------------ 7
Marked Incorrect ----------- 1


Speed:

Total Cells ---------------- 1117
Mean Cell Time ------------- 0.344
Median Cell Time ----------- 0.310

Completed Rows ------------- 42
Mean Row Time -------------- 8.585
Median Row Time ------------ 8.445


Vigilance:

Row Fluctuation ------------ 4.00
 

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How are these results for a beginner?

Overall Statistics:
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Perception & Attention:

Targets Omitted ------------ 7
Marked Incorrect ----------- 1


Speed:

Total Cells ---------------- 1117
Mean Cell Time ------------- 0.344
Median Cell Time ----------- 0.310

Completed Rows ------------- 42
Mean Row Time -------------- 8.585
Median Row Time ------------ 8.445


Vigilance:

Row Fluctuation ------------ 4.00

They need to be improved to the stage where you have no omissions and none incorrect. The work on practicing speed.
 

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While I may agree with that a few people seem to need hand feeding, you shouldn't assume that. I have noticed a lot of very tetchy posting and a bit of what I would call trolling here recently. Unless you are a Moderator, you should either post a helpful, non-judgmental reply, or, if you can't or don't want to, simply don't post. I have been blown away with how supportive this Forum is, but this kind of posting should be reserved for sites of a lower ilk.

The tests have changed recently, as we are all aware, so it is not surprising people are asking or re-asking questions. And yes, people could search the forum, but as anyone else who has used a smartphone will know, that may not be as easy as abc. It may be that others have never used a Forum before online and are unaware of the etiquette. All I am saying is don't be too quick to judge.
 

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I have always thought about the etiquette of forums. In my mind there is an information and rules section. If you are new you should read this and learn the rules and etiquette. Surely it is bad etiquette not to read the rules and start asking questions which have been discussed umpteen times!

But then I was also taught there are no silly questions until asked twice (twice by the same person not just twice as a tally of the times a question has been asked by any different number of people)

Not picking on anyone with this and I think we should all help people out as much as we can. Otherwise what's the point of this site. Just a meeting place for the people in the know. But it just strikes me that in today's society we have got to a situation where we don't take the time to read anymore. We just want to ask and move on. Where as I believe if you spend some time to read you can find the answer and probably get to fill in some back story too.

Anyway its late and I might be typing in a sort of sleep deprived delirium. I will probably look at this post tomorrow and wonder who typed it? Especially because its probably bad etiquette to go on so much about something on a thread and its got nothing to do with the main topic of the thread, do you think I should put something about Group Boredom? No? If anyone makes a witty remark about this post and boredom or anything similar it will not be funny. Good night.
 

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Guys I've tried to download the help link and 3 times it's crashed my laptop. What button do you use to let the gbd test know which dots you are selecting. I've tried space bar and enter but all my tests are saying I've missed everything!!! Seriously frustrated I can't download the help patch- my laptop is a piece of rubbish!!! Thanks in advance
 

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I'm sure you guys are looking too much into this test...it is extremely simple, needn't be the complex practice fest made out here!
 
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this is a great program thanks :D

I know there are quite a few omissions,(what does omitted mean?) but for the first sheet at least i was working out what to actually do and how to control it. this was on the SCAAT mode but can anyone tell me if this is good for a first attempt

Perception & Attention:

Targets Omitted ------------ 67
Marked Incorrect ----------- 12


Speed:

Total Cells ---------------- 1427
Mean Cell Time ------------- 0.244
Median Cell Time ----------- 0.150

Completed Rows ------------- 53
Mean Row Time -------------- 6.079
Median Row Time ------------ 5.850


Vigilance:

Row Fluctuation ------------ 4.97

thanks

mrredrunner100
 

gholi06

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Guys I've tried to download the help link and 3 times it's crashed my laptop. What button do you use to let the gbd test know which dots you are selecting. I've tried space bar and enter but all my tests are saying I've missed everything!!! Seriously frustrated I can't download the help patch- my laptop is a piece of rubbish!!! Thanks in advance

its the W button. It took me a while to work that one out as well.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
this is a great program thanks :D

I know there are quite a few omissions,(what does omitted mean?) but for the first sheet at least i was working out what to actually do and how to control it. this was on the SCAAT mode but can anyone tell me if this is good for a first attempt

Perception & Attention:

Targets Omitted ------------ 67
Marked Incorrect ----------- 12


Speed:

Total Cells ---------------- 1427
Mean Cell Time ------------- 0.244
Median Cell Time ----------- 0.150

Completed Rows ------------- 53
Mean Row Time -------------- 6.079
Median Row Time ------------ 5.850


Vigilance:

Row Fluctuation ------------ 4.97

thanks

mrredrunner100

if its your first attempt then I wouldn't worry about it. but in a few words no its not good enough.

1- you need to reduce omissions (which means how many of the target figures you missed or omitted when scanning)

2- I'm not sure and someone will correct me if I'm wrong but you should be aiming for 0 incorrect

3- I would start of slow and build up your speed. Always aim for accuracy and speed. But at first just make sure you are not getting any incorrect and also not missing any.

4- Then once you have the skill of working your way through the sheet then start working on speed.

Keep a track of your results (just copy and paste) The important things in my mind is:
- rows completed
- incorrect results (should be 0)
- omitted (its not so bad to miss 1 or 2 but this should not fluctuate between sheets)

I hope that helps. If any more questions don't hesitate

To be honest I just read what TDK has said a few posts before and I think he summed it up much better than me. That's it aim for what he said!
 
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