Unless things have changed recently, a fourth 158 visits south Wales on Saturdays Only. That one works a Manchester Piccadilly - Milford Haven and return working, which is a 175 the rest of the week.
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PHILIPE
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I've lost count of the number of times that I have had to explain the same thing on this Forum. The unit balances between North and South on:=-
06 09 Shrewsbury to Maesteg (formerly 05 15 Chester until Dec)
20 17 Cardiff Central to Manchester
A 3 Day cycle visiting Maesteg, Cheltenham, Fishguard Harbour, Ebbw Vale
and Pembroke Dock.
The Saturday extra works 06 30 Manchester to Milford Haven
06 09 Shrewsbury to Maesteg (formerly 05 15 Chester until Dec)
20 17 Cardiff Central to Manchester
A 3 Day cycle visiting Maesteg, Cheltenham, Fishguard Harbour, Ebbw Vale
and Pembroke Dock.
The Saturday extra works 06 30 Manchester to Milford Haven
berneyarms
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Gareth Marston
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Swansea to West Wales & HOW will all be ex FGW 158's operating out of Landore once the wires are up to Swansea. Before anybody shoots me about 158 HOW clearance suggest you tell the DfT whose idea it is.....
ChiefPlanner
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158's would be quite superb - and if a 175 can be cleared ......so can a 158. Maybe a little overpowered ,but what a quality improvement.
Gareth Marston
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reliant on other bits of jigsaw such as 180's available in sufficient numbers to run remaining longer distance DMU FGW services of course. 165/166 will do local trains in FGW land.
175's saved from West of Cardiff would do shuttle to Abergavenny and Cardiff to Cheltenham plus strengthen a bit Manchester to n Wales/Cardiff.
merlodlliw
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Of the three from the Salop stables, I can account for two of them.
2 car 158 departs Wrexham 0600(Salop around 0520),then makes up a four car 158 0712 Chester to Manchester.
2 car departs Salop for Wrexham 0700,then leaves Wrexham for Salop at 0748 joining up with a two car 158 both to Birmingham at 0833, Philipe says the 3rd departs Salop for South Wales at 0609.
PHILIPE
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06 09 Shrewsbury to Maesteg. The 2 Birminghams are a 175 and 2x158 ECS from Crewe.
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175s are cleared for HOW. 158s can only work empty with air bags deflated.
Gareth Marston
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Anyone told DFT?
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0518 to New St as well. 2 153's or 150's for Crewe to Salop shuttle and HOW stable overnight at Salop.
Is it certain that everything at Landore will be 158s? Could the plan be to keep the 153s for use (hopfully in pairs) on HOWL, or use some 2-car 175s freed from Manchester-Milford workings on HOWL?
Have 158s always been restricted on HOWL? If so, the Wales & West route map is wrong since it said HOWL was an Alphaline service.
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craigybagel
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This set actually stables overnight in Crewe, and travels ECS Crewe to Shrewsbury in the morning, at about 0420.
Only one 153, the one that goes on to form the Crewe shuttle, spends the night at Shrewsbury. The 153 for the first HOW service actually spends the night at Crewe, having spent the previous day on Shrewsbury-Crewe shuttles. It runs ECS to Shrewsbury attached to the 158 mentioned above and a 150.
In addition to these sets, there is also another 150 and another 158 that spend the night at Crewe - they run ECS to Chester at about 0320.
0518 to New St (and on to Birmingham International) is a 175.
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Gareth Marston
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Some of the diagramming is complicated, the last ATW arrival and first in the morning terminate at New St instead on INTL and run to/from Chester via Stafford. Some units must run a lot of mileage up.
0425 Chester to BHM New St
0624 BHM New St to Aberystwyth
0930 Aberystwyth to BHM INTL attaches to units at Aberystwyth and Machynlleth, centre unit of six car formation from Mach.
1309 BHM INTL to Holyhead. Becomes rear unit of 4 car formation after leaving Shrewsbury.
Any idea what it does after that?
1309 Birmingham International to Holyhead (centre unit to Shrewsbury, rear unit to Chester, front unit to Llandudno Junction, only unit to Holyhead)
1730 Holyhead to Shrewsbury 2014
then to Abbey Foregate Sidings at Shrewsbury
is I believe the end of that diagram.
1730 Holyhead to Shrewsbury 2014
then to Abbey Foregate Sidings at Shrewsbury
is I believe the end of that diagram.
Gareth Marston
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Close on 600 miles.
LNW-GW Joint
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I find it quite difficult to believe 175s are permitted when "go anywhere" 158s are not.
HOW is also cleared for heavy freight (Dee Marsh steel traffic).
It must be a low bridge somewhere.
merlodlliw
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Seemed pretty clear to me, the 158 in question:
- Is the rear of a 4-car service between Shrewsbury and Chester
- Becomes the front unit of the 4-car train after reversal at Chester
- Detatches from the other unit at Llandudno Junction
- Continues alone as a 2-car train to Holyhead.
berneyarms
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It means that the last two coaches of the train between Shrewsbury and Chester, which are then the front two coaches between Chester and Llandudno Junction, are the only two coaches serving Holyhead!
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merlodlliw
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Thanks both of you, I forget about the change of direction at Chester, think ill stick to the redouble
the centre unit lost me see belowSo it is a six car into Salop,or am I reading it wrong,only out of interest.
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Probably the return of the 09:30 off AYW to Birmingham, which I think is the 6-car working (once it couples to the Cambrian coast portion at Machynlleth).
Gareth Marston
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There was a time when there was excuses made why units couldn't couple up to form longer trains but ATW's Cambrian/Birmingham/North Wales circuit is a veritable fest of uncoupling/coupling all day long every day.
Locations where this happens Aberystwyth,Barmouth,Machynlleth, Shrewsbury, Llandudno Junction.
Barmouth? Didn't think there was anything other than 2-car trains on the Cambrian Coast.
berneyarms
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Thanks both of you, I forget about the change of direction at Chester, think ill stick to the redouble
So it is a six car into Salop,or am I reading it wrong,only out of interest.
Yes - the 13:09 is a six-car into Shrewsbury. One set detaches there to join the 11:27 ex-Holyhead back to Birmingham International.
That's right - 2pce 07:24 ex-Pwllheli and 4pce 09:30 ex-Aberystwyth (joining at Machynlleth). The latter is formed by the 08:07 ex-Machynlleth and the 06:25 ex-Birmingham New Street which join at Aberystwyth.
The 05:07 ex-Machynlleth splits at Barmouth - one set returns as the 06:46 to Birmingham International and the other continues to Pwllheli.
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Very true, which along with the various changes of direction can make it very confusing to try and figure out the set diagrams!!
I'm getting there!
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Gareth Marston
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Whoops forgot Chester as well with the return of the Manchester commuter 4 car 158 that splits into a fast to Holyhead and a stopper to Llandudno. Complicated!
There was one occasion where the guard said just after we left Dovey Junction that the train I was on (ex-Aberystwyth) would terminate at Machynlleth and that they just "sprung it" on her - So everyone got off and waited on the platform and 4 carriages arrived from the Cambrian coast. I've never seen this happen since though.
Gareth Marston
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The units on the cycle can be swapped at Machynlleth on a fairly regular basis, fuel, maintainence etc
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The 1100 ish up the coast and back is strengthened in the summer, and double conductors.
Thanks for the confirmation that I can still rely on my memory, Gareth! That was probably the train we used!
merlodlliw
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Rail UK Forum members will be interested to learn the May meeting of the Shrewsbury/Aberyswyth Rail Passenger Association SARPA, will be held within Shrewsbury Railway Station on Tuesday May 6th. The meeting commences at 5.45PM, Anyone wishing to attend will be most welcome. Several guest speakers have indicated they will attend.
SARPA MEETING. SHREWSBURY. 6TH MAY 2014 Venue The Chester Room,Shrewsbury Station
AGENDA
Venue:- Shrewsbury Railway Station. Start time 17.45
1) Apologies for Absence.
2) a) Minutes of Meeting held @ Caersws, April 1st 2014
b) Matters Arising
3) Hourly Service Matters.
a) Timetable
b) Additional trains to work entire length of line?
c) Provision of Rolling Stock
d) Connections at Salop
4) Rail Development Officer
5) AOB
Interesting comment from Arriva on todays opening of Barmouth to Harlech
on BBC websites.
In my opinion any reduction is bound to increase passengers, a nice gesture.
SARPA MEETING. SHREWSBURY. 6TH MAY 2014 Venue The Chester Room,Shrewsbury Station
AGENDA
Venue:- Shrewsbury Railway Station. Start time 17.45
1) Apologies for Absence.
2) a) Minutes of Meeting held @ Caersws, April 1st 2014
b) Matters Arising
3) Hourly Service Matters.
a) Timetable
b) Additional trains to work entire length of line?
c) Provision of Rolling Stock
d) Connections at Salop
4) Rail Development Officer
5) AOB
Interesting comment from Arriva on todays opening of Barmouth to Harlech
on BBC websites.
In my opinion any reduction is bound to increase passengers, a nice gesture.
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PHILIPE
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158 problem is platform clearances at number of locations, Llandovery being 1, I believe but don't quote me as being absolutely correct. The HOW has never been Alphaline.
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