TPE Nova 1 Class 802/2 Progress

irish_rail · 14 Jul 2018

The big problem with these daft black fronts is they have a nasty habit of dazzling drivers when it is very sunny and the sun reflects off them and blinds oncoming drivers. I have experienced this myself twice passing crossrail units and imagine it will only be a matter of time before black is banned

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samuelmorris · 15 Jul 2018

Surely they could be black but given a non-reflective matte finish?

a_c_skinner · 17 Jul 2018

Will these trains increase service frequency a good deal? After my trips on Glasgow-airport trains yesterday an extra coach won't scratch the surface of overcrowding unless there are a good number of extra trains too.

Bletchleyite · 17 Jul 2018

a_c_skinner said:
Will these trains increase service frequency a good deal? After my trips on Glasgow-airport trains yesterday an extra coach won't scratch the surface of overcrowding unless there are a good number of extra trains too.

I don't think so on the WCML routes.

Bear in mind though that the coaches are longer - the present Class 350s are 80m long, the new EMUs will be 115m long at least (depending if they are 23 or 24m coaches). Given the reduced wasted space in a train with fewer, longer coaches, that means the capacity will be similar to a 6-car Class 350, not a 5-car one.

a_c_skinner · 17 Jul 2018

I think it is a 33% increase, roughly looking at the figures. I won't be anywhere enough. If you have ambition to be an intercity operator you shouldn't plan to have standing on long distance trains.

Edit: I've posted this in the wrong thread. The 802s are not for the WCML and the new WCML units do not (Wiki) seat as many, the increase is actually about 25%. Apologies. The same observation applies to the services the 802s and other new rolling stock will work.

Craig2601 · 17 Jul 2018

If I’m not mistaken are TPE not planning to extend services from Newcastle onwards to Edinburgh? Meaning they could increase service frequency to Glasgow?

800001 · 19 Jul 2018

The 1st 802, 802201 for TPE had its maiden test run last night, operating numerous test runs between Doncaster, York and Darlington.

A link to a picture of it is below

https://twitter.com/Typhoon_93/status/1019745029659811842?s=19

Typhoon_93 · 19 Jul 2018

The first class 802 (802201) for TPE started testing last night working 5X50 Doncaster to Darlington the set is currently fitted with the standard IEP interior.

EE Andy b1 · 22 Jul 2018

Typhoon_93 said:
the set is currently fitted with the standard IEP interior.

So will the TPE Class 802/2s have a better interior than GWRs or will we all have to put up with more of the same?

Bletchleyite · 22 Jul 2018

EE Andy b1 said:
So will the TPE Class 802/2s have a better interior than GWRs or will we all have to put up with more of the same?

Same lousy seats, also in the Mk5a LHCS.

EE Andy b1 · 22 Jul 2018

Bletchleyite said:
Same lousy seats, also in the Mk5a LHCS.

Once again, an opportunity missed all because of price.

So they'll eventually get the new trains up and running hopefully reliable and then the social networks will be full of criticism of how uncomfy the seats are on longer journeys, for which these units are being built.

Bletchleyite · 22 Jul 2018

Quite. I was holding out for some Grammer IC3000s, but even the cheaper Desiro E3000 would be better.

geoffk · 13 Aug 2018

The same question as I've already raised with the TPE Mark 5a stock - will the 802s fit the tunnels on the Calder Valley line - for diversions, of course. So far there are question marks over the Mark 5a and the 170.

hibtastic · 23 Aug 2018

The TPE 802 has just gone through Leeds.

rich-leeds · 23 Aug 2018

Yes, noticed this the other day. Seems to have been doing daily Doncaster Carr - Leeds - York - Edinburgh and return test runs this week.

I guess this is the one you saw :
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K10058/2018/08/23/advanced

Appears to be out again tomorrow:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K10059/2018/08/24/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K10058/2018/08/24/advanced

Roger100 · 24 Aug 2018

Here's 802201 running north, on its diesel engines, to Edinburgh on the ECML near Ferryhill on the 23rd August

Jonny · 24 Aug 2018

Roger100 said:
Here's 802201 running north, on its diesel engines, to Edinburgh on the ECML near Ferryhill on the 23rd August

How come it is on the diesel?

LNW-GW Joint · 24 Aug 2018

Jonny said:
How come it is on the diesel?

According to Roger Ford, there are electrical interference problems with 800s on electric power north of Northallerton.
Sounds similar to the problem between Reading and Didcot on the GW route last year.

Bletchleyite · 24 Aug 2018

Less than half a coach of passenger accommodation in that end vehicle - what's it all taken up with? Surprised TPE would have a full kitchen?

ainsworth74 · 24 Aug 2018

LNW-GW Joint said:
According to Roger Ford, there are electrical interference problems with 800s on electric power north of Northallerton.
Sounds similar to the problem between Reading and Didcot on the GW route last year.

I've seen them working on electric at Darlington previously! Is this a new issue that's emerged?

driver9000 · 24 Aug 2018

Bletchleyite said:
Less than half a coach of passenger accommodation in that end vehicle - what's it all taken up with? Surprised TPE would have a full kitchen?

Guards accommodation and galley kitchen which is standard on all the new trains.

Bletchleyite · 24 Aug 2018

driver9000 said:
Guards accommodation and galley kitchen which is standard on all the new trains.

Appears to take up far less space on the Mk5s (at the non driving end):

Martin222002 · 24 Aug 2018

Bletchleyite said:
Appears to take up far less space on the Mk5s (at the non driving end):

That's the difference between coaching stock and multiple unit vehicles. The galley kitchen and guards compartment will only be taking up the space from the body coloured external door to where the two blacked off windows end. So in reality it only takes up 1/3 of the potential passenger seating space. The space between the body coloured external door and the driving cab door I believe is where electrical equipment is located.

It's also worth noting that they 5 car 80Xs for GWR and LNER kitchens take up an extra half of an additional blacked off window (so 3 in total), with their 9 car kitchens taking up the full 3 blacked out windows. So out of the 80Xs currently built the TEP 802s actually have the smallest kitchen and the greater space available for seating.

800001 · 24 Aug 2018

ainsworth74 said:
I've seen them working on electric at Darlington previously! Is this a new issue that's emerged?

Been blocked from electric operation between Colton (initially was Northallerton) as far as the Scottish Border, for roughly 2 months, maybe slightly longer.

There was a week or so of multiple IEP tests overnight involving 4 trains in close proximity, a few weeks ago, all in electric mode flr testing.

ainsworth74 · 24 Aug 2018

JamesGar said:
Been blocked from electric operation between Colton (initially was Northallerton) as far as the Scottish Border, for roughly 2 months, maybe slightly longer.

Ahh, that would explain it. I saw them on electric maybe a year ago.

Bletchleyite · 24 Aug 2018

Martin222002 said:
That's the difference between coaching stock and multiple unit vehicles. The galley kitchen and guards compartment will only be taking up the space from the body coloured external door to where the two blacked off windows end. So in reality it only takes up 1/3 of the potential passenger seating space. The space between the body coloured external door and the driving cab door I believe is where electrical equipment is located.

That's a lot of wasted space on above floor junk! Stadler do that on the FLIRT of course, but that's because on a low floor design it can't go under the floor. Another reason why it's a poor design of unit.

Journeyman · 28 Aug 2018

802 201 has just pulled into Platform 6 at King's Cross - I'm just leaving from Platform 7 on the 1400 to Aberdeen. Running on electric mode, for those interested.

geoffk · 11 Sep 2018

I was at Newton-le-Willows yesterday, a station now served by TPE with its Liverpool - Newcastle service which will get the new bi-mode units. Both platforms will require lengthening for five-car units and there's no sign of any work starting - unless they are going to rely on SDO.

TheGrew · 11 Sep 2018

I wonder if they are waiting for the station buildings to be finished before extending the platforms. It shouldn't be too hard to extend east with the signals a good 100 meters further down the track. Ideally I think they should be lengthened to cope with 2x 323s so ~150 meters would be required if my maths is good.

js1000 · 18 Sep 2018

irish_rail said:
The big problem with these daft black fronts is they have a nasty habit of dazzling drivers when it is very sunny and the sun reflects off them and blinds oncoming drivers. I have experienced this myself twice passing crossrail units and imagine it will only be a matter of time before black is banned

The black fronts will look absolutely fantastic though with the TPE fluorescent blue livery. Best train/livery combo on the rail network.

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