I'm pretty sure I know how and what methods were/are used. Today I would say its even easier than before, thanks to the likes of .... (If its what I'm thinking of) BTW One method was widely televised.
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I'm pretty sure I know how and what methods were/are used. Today I would say its even easier than before, thanks to the likes of .... (If its what I'm thinking of) BTW One method was widely televised.
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Steve Harris
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As this thread seems to be about graffiti on the outside of trains, one would assume that the use of pepper spray would also be outside!
satisnek
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You do realise that if everyone had this attitude then we would have no police officers, no security guards and no armed forces. Then where would we be?
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Someone has really gone to town with graffiti on a TPE class 185 seen at Manchester Piccadilly this morning. I think it arrived from Cleethorpes and was going empty to Ardwick, presumably for attention. Quite unusual to see graffiti on this scale in this region.
I assume a train has to be taken out of service ASAP when this happens. How long would it take to get it cleaned up? And what is the process for restoring it?
I assume a train has to be taken out of service ASAP when this happens. How long would it take to get it cleaned up? And what is the process for restoring it?
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bengley
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That doesn't surprise me with Cleethorpes!
TPE policy is not to run trains in service with graffiti on, so yes this will be going in for graffiti removal I'd imagine.
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Cleethorpes does seem to be a regular hotspot on the TPE network, a good 1 a month or so if I remember correctly... the perils of outstabling!
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I may be wrong but as these sort of paints have to be water based these days it will probably be removable with solvents and a pressure washer/steam cleaner. The vinyl bits of the TPE livery might need replacing though...
Hopefully all new units will have a special coating applied which makes the paint easier to clean off with chemical from the same company who make the coating
I am a train cleaner, we had this to remove from a EMT 156 at Eastcroft last year. Think it was fully tagged at Lincoln. Took forever to do! We put on a graffiti remover, paint it on and leave it to soak for 10 before scrubbing and using a power hose.
As for Cleethorpes it doesn't help it being open at all 3 entrances.
As for Cleethorpes it doesn't help it being open at all 3 entrances.
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The only problem I have with graffiti is that it can spoil the view, especially when from the inside you can’t see a thing!
Guess what.. We are going to get less. We realised the problem.LOL
AlterEgo
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I like that livery.
61653 HTAFC
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Ha! Both of the examples on this page are way better than the dog's breakfasts that are the WMT/LNW liveries!
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That has actually improved the Stagecoach blue livery! Now if someone can find one of the red livery...
Can be though the bogies along the side are the major pain in the arse
I noticed that graffiti in Europe is appalling, particularly in Brussels.
Here in Sydney we also have the problem and courts have started handing out prison sentences on a first conviction.
Several years ago we had some heritage cars graffitied. The Police advice was that they would not be concerned as to what might happen to the vandals before they arrived.
Should a few railfans catch some vandals in the act a summary action would be to decorate them with their own spraycans. What complaint can they make to police? Yes they have been assaulted. Where did this happen? Did you have permission to be there? What were you doing there? I can't see the Police taking much action other than to charge them with trespassing at the least.
Last week a new carset entered traffic on the Sydney network. On day 1 some windows were scratched. The CEO ordered the CCTV records be removed and examined to identify the culprits. It is hoped that when they get to court there will be a severe sentence.
Here in Sydney we also have the problem and courts have started handing out prison sentences on a first conviction.
Several years ago we had some heritage cars graffitied. The Police advice was that they would not be concerned as to what might happen to the vandals before they arrived.
Should a few railfans catch some vandals in the act a summary action would be to decorate them with their own spraycans. What complaint can they make to police? Yes they have been assaulted. Where did this happen? Did you have permission to be there? What were you doing there? I can't see the Police taking much action other than to charge them with trespassing at the least.
Last week a new carset entered traffic on the Sydney network. On day 1 some windows were scratched. The CEO ordered the CCTV records be removed and examined to identify the culprits. It is hoped that when they get to court there will be a severe sentence.
I am a bit late to this thread but I am puzzled. Why does a graffitied train need to be taken out of service. The graffiti doesn't affect the running gear or the safety systems so there is no reason not to continue running it until the next service interval.
A) because it gives the impression of a train / railway that is not cared for
B) because there is quite a body of evidence that suggests that if graffiti is not seen, then repeat offences / copycat occurrences are much less likely. And it does cost quite a bit to get shot of it.
Also it can affect safety critical elements, such as door buttons and not least the windscreen.
I think the unstaffed, dimly lit stations and old trains with ripped seats, locked out toilets, bubbling up floors and etched windows full of ticketless passengers and gangs of kids roaming about unchallenged already give a pretty good impression of that!
TheSeeker
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Thuggs, Vandals, Hooligans? I blame the Goths. Or even the Visigoths, possibly the Ostrogoths. Certainly the Huns.
I saw GWR 158958 had been graffitied at some point as it was going around with some remnants on the windows with a bit of damage to the local lines livery. They probably won’t bother repainting it now until refurb.
Have also seen it on a green GWR 158 within the last couple of months too. Never used to see much/any!
Have also seen it on a green GWR 158 within the last couple of months too. Never used to see much/any!
One of ours got tagged recently. In the 3minutes it took to turn the train around, the vandals had reached over the 3rd rail and painted a good 3x2 meter...... errr..... thing, it was lettering of some sort but I couldn’t work it out. Really doesn’t take them long to do it. Of course, the examples in this thread are a lot more extream, but I’d be surprised if they were there more than an hour in total as I know the operate in large groups.
The art work in its self is actually very good, but completely in the wrong place. I agree with other posters on here that more needs to be done in terms of tougher sentencing. But before that, more needs to be done in the local communities to prevent it in the first place. Starting with more funding for the police force. The police can do so much more than what they have the resources to do at present.
The art work in its self is actually very good, but completely in the wrong place. I agree with other posters on here that more needs to be done in terms of tougher sentencing. But before that, more needs to be done in the local communities to prevent it in the first place. Starting with more funding for the police force. The police can do so much more than what they have the resources to do at present.
I think overall graffiti on trains is less of a problem in the UK than in many European countries. When The Stereophonics released an album called 'Graffiti On The Train' - my initial thought was had they been travelling around on Trenitalia services when they came up with that name.
ChiefPlanner
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"Opportunist tagging" - hard to catch that.I believe the BTP have reformed the "Graffiti Squad.
The only way to win is to have a zero tolerance campaign , and to press for caught vandals to be prosecuted. It is not a misdemeanour. Done both in my career (including for freight) - and we found that it certainly works within reason.
Another thing to do is to reduce access - probably said before , but isolated stabling at certain times of the year - has to be avoided / or precautions taken. I am thinking of the Xmas period - where we used to concentrated everything at Watford / BY and Euston. With patrols 24/7 (nothing left at Camden / Northampton Riverside or Watford Yard) - nothing "hit" - as opposed to other TOC's who had serious graffiti done to their stock..
A silly argument. Police officers and the army are trained to deal with conflict, and if entering a dangerous situation, are often armed and have backup. That isn't true for a single member of the public. If you want to risk your life confronting someone potentially dangerous for the sake of a bit of graffiti be my guest, it is your life, not mine. Personally I would prefer to get authoritive backup with a good deal more power behind me.
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