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It's only pennies away already. £3,968 for this year's annual season from Chelmo. I'm glad that my employer offers an interest-free loan as I don't know how I'd cope otherwise.
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It is quite a state of affairs if we expect a woman to get so intimate with burly strange men at either side. I'm male and even I find it totally unacceptable.
Other countries don't expect people to sit in a three in such a narrow train. There are a few other examples of 3+2 seating in Europe but the trains are wider. Because of the narrower gauge, there should be *less* 3+2 seating in Britain than elsewhere.
People are also fatter than they used to be, making 3+2 seating even less reasonable.
Can't say I don't see it regularly happen. Cant say I see it as 'intimate' either,, just awkward/claustrophobic. Society is changing and although we certainly aren't there yet, a woman sitting between two men shouldn't be sitting with the fear she'll be harassed or worse, especially on a packed commuter train (the only time people are sitting next to each other in 3+2) with dozens of witnesses.
I'm just going by my experience, small women (and men for the record) regularly do take advantage of their small physique and whilst myself and others are standing by the door, they'll be able to sit in-between two people. Again, just going from what I've seen. Also worth noting, those two other men don't have to be overhanging dramatically from their seats, smaller men exist.
Mordac
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Indeed, being tall grants you many advantages in life. Why begrudge us shorties one of the few situations where we come out ahead. Suck it up, giraffes.
rdlover777
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can i just say how hyped i am for the Stadler units!
rdlover777
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Can't be as bad the 395s where the toilets are only at the DTPs
Course you can. I am too. I am really hoping these units and the ones for merseyrail do really well as they are Starlet's first impressions on the UK market and I'd love to see more of them over here.
rdlover777
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yeah, i love the new GA fleet
yes you do indeed come out victorious in this circumstance. Don't get used to it though
samuelmorris
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I don't see the problem with that? At least 395s have two toilets, the 360/1s, often lauded here as the 'units we absolutely should not be getting rid of' and rightly so, only have one!
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As a bloke with a rugby player physic, big shoulders & a beer belly, I can confirm the 3 + 2 is just bloody stupid, it's just not gonna happen even if a 8st 5ft tall man or women decided it was a good idea to use the middle seat!
I've even felt like I need to reduce my general size/spread when using the class 395s in the 2 + 2 seats where there's no windows because the plug doors using that space, you actually lose about 20cm of shoulder/arm space when you are in the corner with no window ledge or window! Frankly there are no simple answers to fixing this, longer trains mean longer platforms and the Victorian infrastructure can't handle that, so the answer is more regular trains pure and simple
I've even felt like I need to reduce my general size/spread when using the class 395s in the 2 + 2 seats where there's no windows because the plug doors using that space, you actually lose about 20cm of shoulder/arm space when you are in the corner with no window ledge or window! Frankly there are no simple answers to fixing this, longer trains mean longer platforms and the Victorian infrastructure can't handle that, so the answer is more regular trains pure and simple
samuelmorris
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Ideally yes, but the victorian infrastructure can't handle that either! In terms of trains per hour throughput given the mixture of services that use the GEML they don't do bad in terms of service frequency at peak hours. The only way you could really achieve the above is to slow everything down by normalising the calling pattern of services, or of course spending vast amounts double-tracking certain areas.
samuelmorris
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I haven't had 448 since its return to service but I looked it up to see if the seating was changed to Renatus spec or if it's still technicolor (it's still technicolor) - one thing I did notice though (note: video contains sweary punters half way through)
Is that door release sounder broken? - see 36s and 3m45. Both sides seem to be like it and I don't even think he exits through the same door. I'm sure that unit never used to be like this. Are any of the other Renatus units doing that? It's really quite unpleasant and I'm pretty sure that's not PRM compliant these days...
nxea321446
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Thats the door sounders that were fitted to 448 when it was refurbished in 2013, it’s not broken. The GA 156’s have the same fitted.
samuelmorris
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I had no idea, thanks for the info! Shows how long it's been since I've been on the unit then, I didn't remember them sounding like that.
Wivenswold
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Does anyone know if 321330 has gone to Doncaster? Not seen it mentioned here and also not seen it around of late.
nxea321446
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It has, went to Doncaster a few weeks ago
rdlover777
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While on the topic of the 321's, will they be fully replaced by the 755's and 720's or retained to provide extra capacity?
dk1
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All gone.
rdlover777
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thats ashame, well they be scrapped then or moved up north?
dk1
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I think there's hope for the Renatus fleet although I'm not sure they are that good but will be interesting to see. Apart from conversion to bimode most operators seem to prefer buying brand new EMUs.
rdlover777
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I could see the 321s being turned into tri-mode like the 319s
Really, why? There's more than enough 319s to fulfill any requirements for such conversions; starting with a 321 that's never had 3rd rail capability or voltage changeover would be a lot more work.
rdlover777
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Or you could give them 3rd rail atleast
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Just............ why?
I'm afraid people are going to have get used to there being a surplus of EMUs, which means a substantial number of BR-era units (probably into the 100s of units) are going to go for scrap in the next 2 or 3 years.
td97
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No, that would be a lot of pointless work. There are currently four dual voltage operations, and all of them have either much more modern stock or about to.
And even with a small number converted to 769s, there's more than enough 319s to use on any other Dual Voltage routes that might, but won't, exist.
Wivenswold
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Belated thank you for the info. Really appreciated as always.
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Aren't there supposed to be a certain amount of beeps in a given amount of time...? Even a 1998 170 (for example) manages that, even if the volume level may not meet 2020 spec
samuelmorris
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and neither does the sound pitch, but I believe 170s are 'non-compliance accepted'. A lot of older units have no sounder on door release at all (and the light on the button doesn't flash to denote door release either).
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