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That is not a view, it's a fact. So if there is no 158 available do we cancel the train. The diagrammed class is not available all day long all over the country so why single out a Barny service. As for changing with the 158/9 on the Exmouth to Paigntons why cause delays or turf passengers out for no reason.

Ok, I do know that when they are short they do substitute with other class of units, it just seemed a bit odd how they decided to put 158959 on the Exmouth to Paignton route when they could have put it on the 158 booked diagram in the morning instead but like you say 3 vice 3 is fine, it would probably cause a bigger problem with congestion if it was 2 vice 3 like yesterday when they had 150261 on it.
 
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Ok, I do know that when they are short they do substitute with other class of units, it just seemed a bit odd how they decided to put 158959 on the Exmouth to Paignton route when they could have put it on the 158 booked diagram in the morning instead but like you say 3 vice 3 is fine, it would probably cause a bigger problem with congestion if it was 2 vice 3 like yesterday when they had 150261 on it.

What would they have put on the Metro then ? 150002 wasn't or not at the right time.
 

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Just to put it out there, it is the same today.

2x 158/9s & 150002 on BNP <> SJP

158/9 on EXM <> PGN
 

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Are all the GW 158 diagrams now Exeter instead of SPM?
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All Barnstaple diagrams are booked for 158/9s (3), there are a few diagrams between Exeter/Plymouth and Penzance which are operated by 158/0s.

There is still several diagrams around Bristol e.g. the Brighton services as turbos are still not cleared for there yet. Also I believe that some of the Cardiff to Taunton diagrams are being operated by double 158/0s.
 
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All Barnstaple diagrams are booked for 158/9s (3), there are a few diagrams between Exeter/Plymouth and Penzance which are operated by 158/0s.

There is still several diagrams around Bristol e.g. the Brighton services as turbos are still not cleared for there yet. Also I believe that some of the Cardiff to Taunton diagrams are being operated by double 158/0s.
I suspect some 150s are in this mix if the 143s will be coupled up to other 150s for a few months into next year. They seem to have started doing this now mind you.
 

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I suspect some 150s are in this mix if the 143s will be coupled up to other 150s for a few months into next year. They seem to have started doing this now mind you.
Yes they seem to be doing that already, since the new timetable started on Sunday, there hasn't been a double 143 set out; just double 150/2s and 143 + 150 combos.
 
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Yes they seem to be doing that already, since the new timetable started on Sunday, there hasn't been a double 143 set out; just double 150/2s and 143 + 150 combos.
Whilst on the other hand, there should be 3 158/9s on the Tarka Line but so far there has been just two of those and the third diagram a 150. I suppose though they just have to use what’s available. Not to mention there was a 158/9 on a Exmouth to Paignton diagram yesterday and I believe there’s another one on there today.
 

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Are all the GW 158 diagrams now Exeter instead of SPM?
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The 158/0s are Exeter based and the 158/9s at Bristol (PM) until such time as the building extensions at EX have been completed as the Depot cannot perform exams on 3 Car units as yet. The 150/0s are in the same category. All the 158s cycle round both EX and PM in the course of their workings.
 

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Whilst on the other hand, there should be 3 158/9s on the Tarka Line but so far there has been just two of those and the third diagram a 150. I suppose though they just have to use what’s available. Not to mention there was a 158/9 on a Exmouth to Paignton diagram yesterday and I believe there’s another one on there today.

I don't know what all the fuss is about as diagrams were broken back in the steam days. 150002's job yesterday runs ECS from Bristol so that's what PM turned out.
 
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I don't know what all the fuss is about as diagrams were broken back in the steam days. 150002's job yesterday runs ECS from Bristol so that's what PM turned out.
I was saying in a way though that sometimes these things can’t be helped and that they have to use whatever else is free.
 
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There was another 158 on the Exmouth to Paignton service this afternoon which was 158767 attached to 143618. This was my train from Dawlish to St Thomas. I obviously sat in the 158.
 

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Whilst on the other hand, there should be 3 158/9s on the Tarka Line but so far there has been just two of those and the third diagram a 150. I suppose though they just have to use what’s available. Not to mention there was a 158/9 on a Exmouth to Paignton diagram yesterday and I believe there’s another one on there today.
Yep, the same one as well (158959) haha but like you say, could well be where it was stored in the depot last night meant it had to go out on that specific diagram or something like that...

There was another 158 on the Exmouth to Paignton service this afternoon which was 158767 attached to 143618. This was my train from Dawlish to St Thomas. I obviously sat in the 158.

Yes, I believe 158767 replaced 150238 as 238 was with 618 earlier in the day according to the Dawlish cameras.
 

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The 158/0s are Exeter based and the 158/9s at Bristol (PM) until such time as the building extensions at EX have been completed as the Depot cannot perform exams on 3 Car units as yet. The 150/0s are in the same category. All the 158s cycle round both EX and PM in the course of their workings.
Yes, I have noticed on RTT that there are a few ECS movements between Exeter St Davids and Bristol TM in the mornings and evenings.

And it looks as if that the unit that works the ECS from Bristol TM in the morning then goes onto the Tarka Line for the day and vice versa in the evenings, the unit comes off the line and goes off to Bristol.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O71709/2019-12-17/detailed
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y96333/2019-12-18/detailed
 
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Will the Bristol run on Friday night / Saturday morning considering the FO late to Barnstaple is back at St Davids at 01.01 and the first service leaves again at 05.32.
 

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Will the Bristol run on Friday night / Saturday morning considering the FO late to Barnstaple is back at St Davids at 01.01 and the first service leaves again at 05.32.
The Exeter Central to Bristol TM service runs Mon-Fri and leaves Central at 21:01 and then the other is an ECS to SPM... If thats what you are asking? Apologies if it isn't...
 

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The Exeter Central to Bristol TM service runs Mon-Fri and leaves Central at 21:01 and then the other is an ECS to SPM... If thats what you are asking? Apologies if it isn't...
Its what happens to the last two trains from Barnstaple, they are later on Fri/Sat morning, the second one arrives at 01.01 Saturday morning is that then to SPM?
 

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Its what happens to the last two trains from Barnstaple, they are later on Fri/Sat morning, the second one arrives at 01.01 Saturday morning is that then to SPM?
Ah I see, it looks as if it terminates on P6 at St Davids and then stays there overnight and then runs 2T02 to Paignton at the start of service for Saturday. :)
 
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Today:
  1. 150002
  2. 158/9
  3. 158/0
I reckon they’re a few 150s down at the moment which is why 158s have been working some Exmouth to Paignton services but hey I’m not complaining. I believe there’s another 143 + 158 working today as well from what I saw earlier on Dawlish cam.
 

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AFAIK the new later service from Bristol Parkway to Portsmouth and Southsea is mostly a 158 at present due to it being sourced for the following morning Brighton service and turbos still not cleared

The inbound working is now extended to Parkway from Brighton ( the PM ex Brighton used to terminate at Temple Meads)
 

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AFAIK the new later service from Bristol Parkway to Portsmouth and Southsea is mostly a 158 at present due to it being sourced for the following morning Brighton service and turbos still not cleared

The inbound working is now extended to Parkway from Brighton ( the PM ex Brighton used to terminate at Temple Meads)

which later service is this? As far as I can see the latest service into Portsmouth arrives just before midnight, the same as it’s always been?
 

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which later service is this? As far as I can see the latest service into Portsmouth arrives just before midnight, the same as it’s always been?
It's the 2146 off Bristol Temple Meads ex Bristol Parkway. Previously the last train to Portsmouth off Temple Meads was the 2123 ex Cardiff.
Arrives 0019 at Portsmouth and Southsea.
Previously the last train arrived at Portsmouth Harbour before midnight

Runs via Eastleigh as well so now two run in that same direction via Eastleigh per weekday. However no Hedge End or Botley on this later one. Looks like it's weekdays only

The second train of the day from Portsmouth to Cardiff is now around 15 minutes later.
 
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I reckon they’re a few 150s down at the moment which is why 158s have been working some Exmouth to Paignton services but hey I’m not complaining. I believe there’s another 143 + 158 working today as well from what I saw earlier on Dawlish cam.
There seemed to be a 158/0 + 150/2 and a 150/2 on its own working Cardiff to Tauntons today.

150001 is coming down from Cardiff to Exeter tonight on 2C93. Yesterday 2C93 was a 158/9 and it ended up on one of the BNP diagrams today so I am assuming 001 will do the same but only time will tell...
 

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150001 is coming down from Cardiff to Exeter tonight on 2C93. Yesterday 2C93 was a 158/9 and it ended up on one of the BNP diagrams today so I am assuming 001 will do the same but only time will tell...

Vice 158/9. Of the 3 Barns, 1 Down on 2C93, 1 ECS SPM, go back om 2M72 and one ECS to PM
 

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Vice 158/9. Of the 3 Barns, 1 Down on 2C93, 1 ECS SPM, go back om 2M72 and one ECS to PM
Yep, exactly what I thought. 158959 and 158798 have both been on EXM <> PGN today and are both due to go into TMD so what would the chances be that they use one of those instead of 001 tomz...?

So that should mean that tonight that the 158/9 that has been on it, will go back on 2M72 and 150002 will be on 5E95 to PM like you say (last night 002 was meant to do 5E95 back to PM but was swapped at the last minute with 158951 so 951 went back instead with 002 staying down in Exeter and it was used on the same diagram today...
 
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