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trainophile
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Do you need him to tell you how to wipe your backside?
It seems perfectly clear to me - the sort of thing anyone would do if they said "I'm just going for a walk" or "I'm just going for a run". Not a long day out, a short thing.
Well if the loo roll shortage lasts much longer...
bussnapperwm
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Now that's PointlessWho?
trainophile
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Now that's Pointless
Ah! Don't watch it.
You can probably pay it in at your nearest Post Office
scotrail158713
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Yeah. I totally agree with you. It’s a question that really shouldn’t be needing answered as it’s really just common sense - but common sense is in short supply across the country.Do you need him to tell you how to wipe your backside?
It seems perfectly clear to me - the sort of thing anyone would do if they said "I'm just going for a walk" or "I'm just going for a run". Not a long day out, a short thing.
Tetchytyke
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Yet most accidents happen at home. There was a bloke on the telly the other day who fell over a plant pot in his garden and, due to complications, lost his leg.
Point is "what ifs" are irrelevant.
what ifs are not relevant.
The accidents at home risk will stay fairly constant - going out on a bike ride etc adds risk.
krus_aragon
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Quite forgiveable, but the way Westminster ministers keep announcing new policies, and forgetting to mention that they're only speaking on behalf of England, is a bit troublesome. Especially with the BBC cutting back it's regional news bulletins where they would normally highlight differing policies for Scotland, Wales, etc.
Two contrasting examples: the news yesterday that testing was now being rolled out for NHS staff was old hat in Wales, having been announced 10 days previously. And the much-lauded NHS volunteering initiative launched by the RVS only covers England; I understand that you have to find your own way to a different website to do something similar outside England. (I haven't checked myself, as I've got symptoms, so am not in a position to go out and volunteer at the moment.)
scotrail158713
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Exactly
Many older people and some not so old do not do electronic or telephone banking.
Tetchytyke
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No it won't, not with more people at home.
Everything we do increases risk, one way or another. Sitting on my sofa eating cheese twirls increases risk. Going in the garden increases risk.
The Fun Police just can't bear the thought that someone, somewhere, might still be enjoying themselves.
I can't help but note the Fun Police don't seem to getting cross with people doing DIY, or mowing the lawn, despite amateur use of power tools being a massive risk.
Sitting on a sofa involves inherently less risk than hurtling along in a tin of metal at 70mph.
Absolute nonsense. The health benefits of cycling (and walking) far outweigh the risks. So I support @CaptainHaddock in keeping himself fit.
I refer you to my previous posts in this thread about exercise. Getting a good amount of exercise, along with other measures, is the best way to fight the virus. I've not been ill with a virus for many years and the only time I become ill is when I am under stress or denied exercise. I know how to look after myself and I am not going to let people stop me.
I've walked 35 miles in the 5 days before today. I decided to rest my feet today but I am going to go for some long walks next week. I may do a long cycle ride too (in fact, if people are trying to stop me, I will make sure I do it).
Kite159
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Hopefully the good(ish) weather lasts, as I can't imagine you will be out walking long distances/cycling if it's pouring with rain
A walk is good exercise, especially if you live somewhere where you can leave the roads behind and head off into the country using footpaths/bridleways
Are you a doctor or virologist?
Its exactly the attitude of I know best that spoils it for everyone as well as increasing the potential risk of spreading the infection.
Not exercising can and does lead to poor health. The Government has said people are allowed out for exercise and that's it. I personally have to go out 5 days per week to get to and from my place of work which is still opened and I have to use public transport to get there as my own personal transport is currently off the road and will be for the foreseeable future. Trust me, if I could stay at home on 80% to reduce the risk of catching the virus I would.
I don't think I said otherwise. We all know exercise in general is good for the mind as well as the body, but I do take exception to those that believe if they don't do their normal routine they will either end up as a flabby mess on the sofa or dead. People can easily cut down on outdoor exercise and bulk it up with indoor exercise....we are not talking about a permanent situation here. There is also no medical bases to suggest that exercising is the best way to fight this virus or that because you don't normally get ill you won't get it. It has infected as well as killed old or young, healthy or not....and lets not dismiss the possibility that yes, you might think you are fit and strong, but you do not know what underlying conditions you may have that have not yet been diagnosed.
DynamicSpirit
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I think that's potentially debatable. If everyone perfectly follows the 'don't catch it' strategy then what happens when the lockdown is lifted - as it will have to be eventually - if we stopped the virus so effectively that almost no-one yet has any immunity to it... and then the someone brings the virus back in, for example perhaps from another country?
Also, maybe some of us are looking at a broader picture.. not just trying to make sure we don't catch this particular virus, but also trying to keep our immune systems and mental health up, so that the NHS is less likely to be burdened in a few months time with people ill with other things that that have arisen due to overzealous interpretation of the lockdown.
Bletchleyite
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Have you actually been listening to the Government press conferences, specifically Dr Jenny Harries who has on more than one occasion made the point that they are actively encouraging exercise as an opportunity while people have more spare time than usual and not merely tolerating it?
If people make a daily walk/run/bike ride a habit and stick with it once the Winchester has kicked out and it has all blown over, that's a potential public health coup.
I know this is anecdote, but my wife witnessed a suicide from in a public place on Friday (my wife is fine: shook up but OK). News reports from today say that the man was self-isolating. Obviously there is no proof of causality in this individual case, but some deaths will be caused by people who are struggling with mental health not being able to cope with the stress and strain of self-isoaltion.
Maybe we can accept these deaths on a crude measure of coronavirus deaths prevented v mental health deaths incurred, but having anti-coronavirus measures doesn't mean having to ignore the risk of deaths caused by mental health problems that are exacerbated by current regulations. Interestingly, one of the legal reasons for being out of the home is to avoid illness, and I might speculate that any reasonable interpretation of this should include deterioration in mental health condition, particualrly (but not exclusvely) for people with mental health diagnoses.
Maybe we can accept these deaths on a crude measure of coronavirus deaths prevented v mental health deaths incurred, but having anti-coronavirus measures doesn't mean having to ignore the risk of deaths caused by mental health problems that are exacerbated by current regulations. Interestingly, one of the legal reasons for being out of the home is to avoid illness, and I might speculate that any reasonable interpretation of this should include deterioration in mental health condition, particualrly (but not exclusvely) for people with mental health diagnoses.
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@cuccir I do share your concerns, very much so.
By the way I think some people fundamentally misunderstand the current situation:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52084517
Although I am going to take all necessary precautions to try to avoid getting it, at the end of the day, many of us are going to get it, and the best course of action is for as many of us as possible to get our immune systems into as good as shape as possible, to give us the best possible chance of getting only mild symptoms and fighting off the virus.
Some people appear to accuse me of exercising too much, well I disagree (and will never change my mind on that) and my immune system is as good as it is because of that exercise (among other things).
I strongly disagree with this post; the more you (or anyone else) tries to deny me the right to remain fit and healthy, the more I am determined to do so. We will have to respectfully agree to disagree!
By the way I think some people fundamentally misunderstand the current situation:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52084517
The virus is going to continue spread; the aim is not to stop the spread but to slow the rate of spread.
Although I am going to take all necessary precautions to try to avoid getting it, at the end of the day, many of us are going to get it, and the best course of action is for as many of us as possible to get our immune systems into as good as shape as possible, to give us the best possible chance of getting only mild symptoms and fighting off the virus.
Some people appear to accuse me of exercising too much, well I disagree (and will never change my mind on that) and my immune system is as good as it is because of that exercise (among other things).
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Dr Hoo
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Meanwhile a close relative of mine in Yorkshire; a hospital doctor who had been training for a (now cancelled) marathon; is currently working overtime but exercising significantly less than he had been despite his potential exposure to high viral load.
I wonder why?
Because he doesn't have time due to working overtime? Or maybe because he is no longer doing the marathon?
The reality is that I am going to be doing less exercise than normal, no matter how hard I try, but I am absolutely aiming not to fall too far behind because I feel that is very important.
Dr Hoo
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I am pleased to hear that you are at least cutting down outside exposure, Yorkie, and offer my best wishes to everyone that they stay both safe and happy in the current very difficult and dangerous situation.
It's very dangerous for many people due to the threat to our immune systems and mental health; that is by far the biggest danger to the majority of the population (not to take anything away from the awful danger to those who are elderly and in vulnerable groups, but I think it's worth talking about the huge hidden, and often unspoken, dangers that affect us all, even the young, fit and healthy among us!)
As for "cutting down"; the situation is that my usual exercise is now absolutely impossible so I am doing long walks instead. It can never make up for it fully but hopefully it will be sufficient; but make no mistake, the limits that some people propose (60 minutes/day) are absolutely not sufficient and I absolutely will ensure I always exceed this as a minimum.
ashkeba
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My home is not big enough for much indoor exercise, especially with my existing conditions. And we may as well be talking about a permanent situation for someone as I'll as me! Anyone expecting this lockdown to be lifted in two more weeks will be disappointed, I bet.
So please stop trying to deny me the simple pleasure of a couple of hours on the bike a couple of times a week just riding towards the very flat horizon and back. I do not understand this killjoy mania. I will not harm anyone unless you are in the habit of licking country roads despite the cow exhaust.
Not this virus - it is a new one! But in general, there is much medical opinion that fitter people have better chances of fighting illnesses. I'm sure this has been posted already but just in case not:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52076856
ashkeba
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Not necessarily. I think I am probably at less risk on the bike (zero hospital visits ever) than at home (three hospital visits in the last decade: two broken bones and one laceration), so going out probably reduces my risk!
That's because it is not fun police but people who like driving or riding trains who do not want joggers and cyclists to be allowed to continue either. It's envy dressed up as public safety concerns.
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