LNER Class 91/Mk4 service status/withdrawals/2021 refurbishment

800001 · 12 Jun 2022

XCTurbostar said:
Thanks 800001, I suspected so but I couldn't see any other paths leaving Doncaster Works.

Look out for paths w/c 20th from Wabtec, and keep eye open for Neville Hill to Peterborough and return paths, they will be the give away

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dodecahedron67 · 13 Jun 2022

Press embargo seemingly lifted https://twitter.com/philatrail/status/1536315395619037187?s=21&t=ArRuXZzGsxclVce_6kUY_A

LNER is introducing a new livery for its Class 91/Mk 4 stock. It mixes BR intercity livery with LNER colours. First to receive the new colours is 91127.

JaJaWa · 13 Jun 2022

dodecahedron67 said:
Press embargo seemingly lifted https://twitter.com/philatrail/status/1536315395619037187?s=21&t=ArRuXZzGsxclVce_6kUY_A

Philip Haigh @philatrail
LNER is introducing a new livery for its Class 91/Mk 4 stock. It mixes BR intercity livery with LNER colours. First to receive the new colours is 91127.

7:51 PM · Jun 13, 2022 · TweetDeck

https://twitter.com/philatrail/status/1536315395619037187

DanNCL · 13 Jun 2022

That is quite literally Intercity swallow with an LNER logo and with maroon instead of black around the windows... Not inspired by Intercity Swallow my backside!

alexl92 · 13 Jun 2022

Great work, that. The plum band looks smart and the awful VTEC livery is gone, many years too late.

HarryL · 13 Jun 2022

I'm not so sure that maroon works like this to be honest, I do wonder what it would have looked like with the Azuma stripes instead. That said as mentioned, it's an improvement over the VTEC version.

FrodshamJnct · 13 Jun 2022

JaJaWa said:
https://twitter.com/philatrail/status/1536315395619037187

Struggling with the deep red band and then black at the front, doesn’t quite sit right. Not bad though.

fgwrich · 13 Jun 2022

DanNCL said:
That is quite literally Intercity swallow with an LNER logo and with maroon instead of black around the windows... Not inspired by Intercity Swallow my backside!

I laughed at the press release of “with a nod to the past”… it’s a virtual copy!

I’m surprised they didn’t at least try to bring the “Azuma” nose curves across, trying to connect the two liveries together.

JaJaWa · 13 Jun 2022

New Livery For LNER Intercity 225 Fleet As Part Of Essential Maintenance
13/06/22

London North Eastern Railway (LNER), as part of essential maintenance work, has unveiled a new and distinctive livery for its InterCity 225 fleet.

The distinctive design features LNER’s trademark colours of red, oxblood, grey and white, along with its iconic logo, bringing a new look to the trains while also giving a nod to its proud past.

Work on the first locomotive and coaches to carry the new livery has been completed at Wabtec’s Doncaster works as part of a scheduled essential maintenance programme. The fleet, leased from Eversholt Rail, will receive a full repaint and rebrand during the coming months as the rolling stock is brought in for maintenance.

John Doughty, Director of Engineering at LNER, said: “The new livery is not only essential for the upkeep of the fleet but also brings it into the LNER family. It is the first time in many years that the fleet has been fully repainted. The livery was inspired in part by the popularity of the original InterCity 225 design, and we’ve kept the sharp lines and red and white stripes famously associated with the trains which have a place in the hearts of many people.”

The InterCity 225 fleet first entered service in March 1989 and has spent most of its life working on the East Coast route carrying passengers between London and Scotland at 125 miles per hour. The train was designed for a top speed of 140 miles per hour and broke the British railway speed record reaching 162 miles per hour on a test run in 1989.

The fleet is comprised of Class 91 electric locomotives and Mark 4 coaching stock. LNER has 12 locos and eight sets of coaches on lease which operate services between London King’s Cross, Leeds and York, all of which will be branded in the new livery in the coming months.

New Livery For LNER Intercity 225 Fleet As Part Of Essential Maintenance

London North Eastern Railway (LNER), as part of essential maintenance work, has unveiled a new and distinctive livery for its InterCity 225 fleet.

www.lner.co.uk

XCTurbostar · 13 Jun 2022

Lovely! Love that they started with 82 225 although I think the 91's white Pantograph well is a bad choice...

yorksrob · 13 Jun 2022

Looks superb.

Very well done LNER.

XCTurbostar · 13 Jun 2022

It will be interesting to see if 91119 will loose its 'InterCity' branding in favour of LNER instead.

ld0595 · 13 Jun 2022

I think it looks great! Shame we won't see these in Scotland.

Bletchleyite · 13 Jun 2022

Much nicer than the awful, cheap looking VTEC livery, which is definitely not Best Impressions' finest hour and doesn't compliment the trains at all.

Fuzzytop · 13 Jun 2022

XCTurbostar said:
It will be interesting to see if 91119 will loose its 'InterCity' branding in favour of LNER instead.

According to the 225 Group, 91110, 91111 and 91119 are staying as they are. Presumably that means 91101 and 91114 will be lost.

Iskra · 13 Jun 2022

An interesting twist on a classic livery, I like it.

800001 · 13 Jun 2022

Is it burgundy down the side in the band or black?

SteveyBee131 · 13 Jun 2022

800001 said:
Is it burgundy down the side in the band or black?

Black round the cab windows, burgundy/maroon/dark red/call it what you will behind

Class360/1 · 13 Jun 2022

Looks really smart! Far superior to the weird VTEC scheme, which is surprising as they employed some of the best rail industry designers.

Fuzzytop · 13 Jun 2022

Class360/1 said:
Looks really smart! Far superior to the weird VTEC scheme, which is surprising as they employed some of the best rail industry designers.

There are elements of the VTEC one that I liked. The 'eyeshadow' round the headlight clusters and the masking round the cab were good - although then again, they said at the time those features were inspired by the original Swallow livery!

800001 said:
Is it burgundy down the side in the band or black?

Burgundy all the way down apart from the cab ends - LNER would probably prefer us to call it 'oxblood': https://twitter.com/225groupuk/status/1536334996016926721

800001 · 13 Jun 2022

Fuzzytop said:
There are elements of the VTEC one that I liked. The 'eyeshadow' round the headlight clusters and the masking round the cab were good - although then again, they said at the time those features were inspired by the original Swallow livery!

Burgundy all the way down apart from the cab ends - LNER would probably prefer us to call it 'oxblood': https://twitter.com/225groupuk/status/1536334996016926721

Thanks, hard to tell with the video

XCTurbostar · 13 Jun 2022

Heres a list:

Class 91 locos:
91101 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red - Flying Scotsman
91105 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
91106 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
91107 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
91109 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
91110 - Battle of Britain Memorial Flight
91111 - For the Fallen
91114 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red - Durham Cathedral
91119 - InterCity Swallow
91124 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
91127 - LNER White and Oxblood
91130 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red

Mk4 Carriage Sets:
NL06 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
NL08 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
NL12 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
NL13 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
NL15 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
NL16 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
NL17 - LNER White and Oxblood
NL26 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red

Mk4 Driving Van Trailers (DVTs):
82205 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red - Flying Scotswoman
82208 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82211 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82212 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82213 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82214 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82215 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82222 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82223 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red
82225 - LNER White and Oxblood

fgwrich · 13 Jun 2022

JaJaWa said:
https://twitter.com/philatrail/status/1536315395619037187

Something else that bugs me about that photo, and it's not restricted to ICLNER and is a minor thing but, the Bogies. For years, locos and stock "launched" at refurbishment would see the bogies and or underframe detail treated to a lick of black paint. Now we just seem to leave them covered in filth and muck while the top half of the loco / stock gets tarted up. It's simple presentation!

XAM2175 · 13 Jun 2022

DanNCL said:
That is quite literally Intercity swallow with an LNER logo and with maroon instead of black around the windows... Not inspired by Intercity Swallow my backside!

No, the font the number's in is clearly different

alexl92 said:
Great work, that. The plum band looks smart and the awful VTEC livery is gone, many years too late.

Bletchleyite said:
Much nicer than the awful, cheap looking VTEC livery, which is definitely not Best Impressions' finest hour and doesn't compliment the trains at all.

Hear hear! I'd be very happy with this even if it wasn't vanquishing VTEC's utterly hateful vinyls, but the fact that it is makes it all the better.

fgwrich said:
Something else that bugs me about that photo, and it's not restricted to ICLNER and is a minor thing but, the Bogies. For years, locos and stock "launched" at refurbishment would see the bogies and or underframe detail treated to a lick of black paint. Now we just seem to leave them covered in filth and muck while the top half of the loco / stock gets tarted up. It's simple presentation!

Something I also noticed. It is a touch irksome.

I also, in a perfect world, would have liked to see the return of the white-painted lower front fairing, but I know that they get very filthy very quickly so I can understand why they'd be left off. Still hugely satisfying overall

XCTurbostar said:
91127 - LNER Ex-VTEC Red

You missed one

XCTurbostar · 13 Jun 2022

XAM2175 said:
You missed one

Fixed that for you!

TT-ONR-NRN · 13 Jun 2022

Absolutely horrendous. Not only does it look exceptionally dated, it looks like it was a hand me down from British Rail than LNER couldn’t be bothered to repaint so stuck some maroon vinyls and overside logos on.

Also, the stretch of maroon along the side and the stretch of black by the cab window and over the cab both clash and should be the same colour ideally.

I don’t like it at all. I won’t moan though, as the inside will still be pleasant.

cactustwirly · 13 Jun 2022

I feel like the intercity ends are unnecessary. And make it look so dated.

They could have brought the maroon and red stripes forward and finished it off with a curve like the Azumas

richa2002 · 13 Jun 2022

cactustwirly said:
I feel like the intercity ends are unnecessary. And make it look so dated.

They could have brought the maroon and red stripes forward and finished it off with a curve like the Azumas

The point is though, Azumas have curved bodies so a curved livery design works well. The 91 is more angular so the angles here look better (to my eye at least). Liveries should work with the body, not against.

43096 · 13 Jun 2022

richa2002 said:
The point is though, Azumas have curved bodies so a curved livery design works well. The 91 is more angular so the angles here look better (to my eye at least). Liveries should work with the body, not against.

Agreed. The 91's body was almost designed with Swallow in mind - although Swallow looks good on anything. Every other livery carried by the 91s has only succeeded in making the loco look very, very dated - much more so than than its contemporary Class 90 cousins.

43102EMR · 13 Jun 2022

TT-ONR-NRN said:
Absolutely horrendous. Not only does it look exceptionally dated, it looks like it was a hand me down from British Rail than LNER couldn’t be bothered to repaint so stuck some maroon vinyls and overside logos on.

Also, the stretch of maroon along the side and the stretch of black by the cab window and over the cab both clash and should be the same colour ideally.

I don’t like it at all. I won’t moan though, as the inside will still be pleasant.

To each their own - personally it’s an improvement from the VTEC livery it previously carried IMHO.

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