377/6

[southern442]

I didn't see any 377/6's in service today. My train (0700 VIC-EPD) was a 455, as were a lot of the trains I expected to see as 377's. There was even one 10-car 377/1+377/3+377/3 combo! I hope that my regular trains are 377/6's instead of 455's soon, does anybody know what trains will remain 455's and what ones will become 377/6?

 

[swt_passenger]

The 24 intended weekday diagrams have been put up on the UKModernEMU yahoo group, it's an 11 page pdf. May be worth joining if you want the full details, but your highlighted train above is not down for a 377/6. (In any case as posted earlier somewhere only 16 377/6 diagrams are in use initially.)

Thing is that a '10 car service' on a route might only be needed in the peak flow direction - many trains on the Victoria - Epsom Downs (EPD) service are down for pairs of 377/6, but not all.

 

[TEW]

I didn't see any 377/6's in service today. My train (0700 VIC-EPD) was a 455, as were a lot of the trains I expected to see as 377's. There was even one 10-car 377/1+377/3+377/3 combo! I hope that my regular trains are 377/6's instead of 455's soon, does anybody know what trains will remain 455's and what ones will become 377/6?

There's 46 455s and only 26 377/6s, so there's still going to be lots of trains worked by 455s. The diagrams have been completed revised to accommodate the 377/6s so trains which were previously 377s will be 455s and vice versa. It has been reported that there will be some more 10 car formations formed of 3+3+4 on Metro workings now.

 

[physics34]

There's 46 455s and only 26 377/6s, so there's still going to be lots of trains worked by 455s. The diagrams have been completed revised to accommodate the 377/6s so trains which were previously 377s will be 455s and vice versa. It has been reported that there will be some more 10 car formations formed of 3+3+4 on Metro workings now.

there will be more 377/3s avaliable now (to make 10 cars with a /1 /2 or /4) as i presume most things via Tulse Hill will be 8 455, which previously were 6 377

 

[samj]

377615+377609 on the 1932 Horsham-Victoria (via Gatwick).

 

[Class377/5]

377616 is heading down tonight.

 

[D7666]

The 24 intended weekday diagrams have been put up on the UKModernEMU yahoo group, it's an 11 page pdf.

Further,

different versions uploaded within the last half hour - divided into 5 sections, for
MO
T/W/ThO
FO
SO
SuO


PS
The temporary 456 diagrams are there too.

--
Nick

 

[Peter Sarf]

377616 is heading down tonight.

Thanks. I was just telling my mate that 616 must be teetering on the edge of coming when he asked surely its come already !.

My list duly updated.

So three left to deliver, 3 testing and 20 in service.

I reckon full service (24/26) next week at this rate. Roll on the 377/7s.

 

[Class377/5]

Thanks. I was just telling my mate that 616 must be teetering on the edge of coming when he asked surely its come already !.

My list duly updated.

So three left to deliver, 3 testing and 20 in service.

I reckon full service (24/26) next week at this rate. Roll on the 377/7s.

Doubt full as full service requires a couple spare. Seems Southern believe they require two spare and its a lot of work to rediagram things. Things are stable and the 456 have been replaced so its all good now, no need to rush to forcing the issue.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

377615+377609 on the 1932 Horsham-Victoria (via Gatwick).

This pair worked a Victoria - Epsom - Victoria prior to that; I had them from Balham to Sutton then the following train was 377 610 + 377 605 which I had as far as Cheam, I then changed at Cheam to get the 16.49 back to Clapham Junction in order to ( successfully ) intercept 377 623 at 17.19, which I would have otherwise missed out on as it was working 16.42 from Sutton ( ex- Epsom Downs ).

Upon arrival at Victoria, 377 623 was coupled to 377 619 ( which was waiting in the platform ) to form a service back out to Sutton via Crystal Palace; needed 619 so I stayed on board and at that point the service fell apart because of a broken down train at Balham.

However, while 619 + 623 were still at Victoria there were three adjacent platforms containing pairs of 377/6s simultaneously, one of which was 609 + 615 just back from Epsom, and further across on the main line side was 622 + one other on a Caterham semi fast; it paralleded us as far as Clapham Jct but kept just far enough ahead that I couldn't see the front unit!

 

[33056]

66122 and 377 616 now at Wembley, should be leaving in the 08:31 path subject to the usual caveats.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
UPDATE: Finally on the move around 40 late, "bonus loco" 67006 on the rear.

 

[TEW]

An update for the list. 377610 was in service today. Can confirm 608 and 623 are definitely in service too, but didn't see 624 or 625.

 

[Peter Sarf]

Thanks TEW list duly updated.

So two on test 616 & 626, they don't seem to take long to test so maybe in service soon btw.
Three to deliver 601, 602 & 603.
Twenty-one in service or available.

 

[Class377/5]

One booked to come tonight. Don't know unit yet.


Just checked these two for this week

377608 in service 10/11
377610 in service 09/12.

 

[JonathanH]

Thanks TEW list duly updated.

So two on test 616 & 626, they don't seem to take long to test so maybe in service soon btw.
Three to deliver 601, 602 & 603.
Twenty-one in service or available.

377624 and 377625 definitely worked on Saturday 7 December - I travelled on them from Victoria at 17:53 as set out in message 648.

 

[Vicpaul]

Edited

 

[samj]

Where are the best locations in the Metro area to photograph these? I can only recall Sutton having long enough platforms to get decent photos of both ends. Where else on the Metro network holds more than 10 carriages? Does Dorking/Epsom/Epsom Downs? Many thanks for the help.

 

[JonathanH]

377419 has just led 377625 through Purley on 5G56 Tattenham Corner to Selhurst following a train failure.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W87870/2013/12/11/advanced

377623 1932 Horsham to London Victoria
377611 2008 Caterham to London Bridge
377609 1936 London Bridge to Caterham (terminated at Purley)

The Horsham service was short formed after the failure of the 1026 Caterham to London Victoria.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Where are the best locations in the Metro area to photograph these? I can only recall Sutton having long enough platforms to get decent photos of both ends. Where else on the Metro network holds more than 10 carriages? Does Dorking/Epsom/Epsom Downs? Many thanks for the help.

Anywhere north of Balham should get the majority of the day's workings coming past, surely?

 

[12CSVT]

Seen in service today - 377604/605/606/610/613/614/617/618/619/622/623.

377618 + 622 failed at Wallington with 1633 Sutton - Victoria.

 

[JonathanH]

Seen in service today - 377604/605/606/610/613/614/617/618/619/622/623.

377618 + 623 failed at Wallington with 1633 Sutton - Victoria.

377419 has just led 377625 through Purley on 5G56 Tattenham Corner to Selhurst following a train failure.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W87870/2013/12/11/advanced

377623 1932 Horsham to London Victoria
377611 2008 Caterham to London Bridge
377609 1936 London Bridge to Caterham (terminated at Purley)

The Horsham service was short formed after the failure of the 1026 Caterham to London Victoria.

I went on to see

377612 2015 Tattenham Corner to London Victoria
377150 2045 Tattenham Corner to London Victoria (should have been 377/6)
377613 2150 London Victoria to Dorking
377615 2220 London Victoria to Dorking (should have been 10-car)

The two observations of 377623 don't tally. Using realtimetrains, and the diagrams on ukmodernemu it looks like there was a swap at Victoria between diagram 610 and 604 with the 1750 to Horsham working out as 5-coach having arrived at Victoria on the 1628 from Epsom Downs.

The 2220 from Victoria to Dorking would have been the same diagram as the failed 1633 Sutton to Victoria. The 1701 from Victoria to Epsom Downs would have been 5-coach as only the 1556 from Dorking arrived in time. The other inbound working for the 1701 to Epsom Downs comes in from Caterham and arrived at Victoria at 1713. This was then available to cover the 1733 to Epsom Downs after the failure at Wallington.

With the 1701 to Epsom Downs only being five coaches, it could only form the 1906 to Epsom Downs on its return to Victoria and the 1915 to Tattenham Corner was subtituted with a four coach 377.

All makes sense now! An interesting set of changes.

 

[JB25]

I finally got to drive one last night... Very awkward for your first go I have to say. It's not like just walking into any old 377 and doing the same thing. And the brakes don't seem as sharp as some of the older ones either. The hill start isn't really an issue for normal driving. Dreading when I have to do an attachment / detachment in one though.

I was going to say as I am on the same job today I will probably have one again but then it seems from the post above the 377/6 I had last night was swapped in from another job.

 

[12CSVT]

I went on to see

377612 2015 Tattenham Corner to London Victoria
377150 2045 Tattenham Corner to London Victoria (should have been 377/6)
377613 2150 London Victoria to Dorking
377615 2220 London Victoria to Dorking (should have been 10-car)

The two observations of 377623 don't tally. Using realtimetrains, and the diagrams on ukmodernemu it looks like there was a swap at Victoria between diagram 610 and 604 with the 1750 to Horsham working out as 5-coach having arrived at Victoria on the 1628 from Epsom Downs.

The 2220 from Victoria to Dorking would have been the same diagram as the failed 1633 Sutton to Victoria. The 1701 from Victoria to Epsom Downs would have been 5-coach as only the 1556 from Dorking arrived in time. The other inbound working for the 1701 to Epsom Downs comes in from Caterham and arrived at Victoria at 1713. This was then available to cover the 1733 to Epsom Downs after the failure at Wallington.

With the 1701 to Epsom Downs only being five coaches, it could only form the 1906 to Epsom Downs on its return to Victoria and the 1915 to Tattenham Corner was subtituted with a four coach 377.

All makes sense now! An interesting set of changes.

Apologies about the typo - it was 618 + 622 which failed at Wallington

 

[JB25]

611+624 Victoria to Epsom Downs tonight. They're not too bad really... Brakes could still do with a sharpen though. I really like the inside though. They seem much better / nicer lit and they seem far more spacious too.

 

[southern442]

611+624 Victoria to Epsom Downs tonight. They're not too bad really... Brakes could still do with a sharpen though. I really like the inside though. They seem much better / nicer lit and they seem far more spacious too.

The seats are interesting, but very hard. I have noticed they are slightly softer in first though.

 

[TEW]

I don't think they are, they're identical in First Class.

 

[Class377/5]

I don't think they are, they're identical in First Class.

Correct.

377602 should leave Derby tonight.

 

[4-COR 3142]

Are the Victoria - Brighton services still part of 377/6 diagramming with the new timetable?

 

[Class377/5]

Are the Victoria - Brighton services still part of 377/6 diagramming with the new timetable?

No. The nearest you get to that is Horsham - Victoria via Gatwick.

That said they may be some 377/6 out to get the mileage up on the fleet as they've not been fully introduced yet but I doubt it.

 

[4-COR 3142]

No. The nearest you get to that is Horsham - Victoria via Gatwick.

Thanks for that will head to the north - well Redhill anyway - via the Arun Valley tommorrow with the hope of sighting one at Horsham.