4O05, 07:15 Birch Coppice Freightliner to Southampton M.C.T derailed at Eastleigh (28/01)

[Dave W]

By the looks of things, XC are sending trains from Basingstoke down through Andover and Romsey (is this a normal diversion during engineering?), and SWR have just sent 1T41 (a Portsmouth Harbour train) as far as Winchester, where it's terminated.

 

[swt_passenger]

By the looks of things, XC are sending trains from Basingstoke down through Andover and Romsey (is this a normal diversion during engineering?), and SWR have just sent 1T41 (a Portsmouth Harbour train) as far as Winchester, where it's terminated.

XC via Laverstock curve (avoiding Salisbury) with a reversal at Southampton is a fairly normal diversion, yes. It’s possible with it taking longer, and with trains out of position, that some Bournemouth bound services will terminate at Southampton.

 

[pompeyfan]

By the looks of things, XC are sending trains from Basingstoke down through Andover and Romsey (is this a normal diversion during engineering?), and SWR have just sent 1T41 (a Portsmouth Harbour train) as far as Winchester, where it's terminated.

evening peak might see alterations with 2Lxx services extended to Winchester calling at Micheldever and 1L Salisbury services calling additionally at Farnborough and Fleet.

 

[ChiefPlanner]

XC via Laverstock curve (avoiding Salisbury) with a reversal at Southampton is a fairly normal diversion, yes. It’s possible with it taking longer, and with trains out of position, that some Bournemouth bound services will terminate at Southampton.

Good job that W10) clearance was obtained via Laverstoke , as well as via Soton Tunnel.......(going to be busy that route with the sound of things)

 

[Monty]

in that case, BBC are using your photo..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-51282927

Yeah I noticed, a bit naughty but it's only a crappy mobile picture. Probably nicked it off Facebook when a friend shared it.

 

[infobleep]

Handtool operated switches usually at the point where the traction power cables join the conductor rail. They allow smaller areas of conductor rail to be manually isolated during faults and preventive maintenance.

Here’s a picture, it’s more like a double knife switch than an actual hook:
https://patrickoneill204.smugmug.com/Trains/Southern-Area-2012/i-NfHn5VZ/A

Cheers.

 

[infobleep]

This is causing issues at Woking. A Portsmouth to Waterloo train left Worpolesdon on time at 16:07 but as of 16:31 it hadn't reached Woking. I wonder if platforms are being blocked. I've not checked in more detail as I don't have time right now.

 

[Monty]

This is causing issues at Woking. A Portsmouth to Waterloo train left Worpolesdon on time at 16:07 but as of 16:31 it hadn't reached Woking. I wonder if platforms are being blocked. I've not checked in more detail as I don't have time right now.

Looking at Traksy platform 4 is blocked and 2T45 is on platform 5 awaiting crew.

 

[4COR]

This is causing issues at Woking. A Portsmouth to Waterloo train left Worpolesdon on time at 16:07 but as of 16:31 it hadn't reached Woking. I wonder if platforms are being blocked. I've not checked in more detail as I don't have time right now.

Signalling fault according to SWR twitter. Never rains....

 

[infobleep]

Looking at Traksy platform 4 is blocked and 2T45 is on platform 5 awaiting crew.

I checked Twitter and it is a separate signalling issue at Woking, that according to one Twitter user, ReganAtk, has been going on for 2-3 hours and South Western Railway haven't been reporting it. That seems a long time not to report something like this. No idea if the time period is correct. Either way it won't be helping, what with the issues at Eastleigh.

@SW_Help Why are you not mentioning the down fast line being blocked at Woking as it has been for the past 2/3 hours??

https://twitter.com/ReganAtk/status/1222193553457188864?s=19

 

[pompeyfan]

Signalling fault according to SWR twitter. Never rains....

believe there was an unrelated SPAR/WSF at Woking earlier too.

 

[pompeyfan]

Latest I’ve seen is job stop for 18 hours from close of play, block needed on all 4 lines. Ouch!

 

[GB]

Latest I’ve seen is job stop for 18 hours from close of play, block needed on all 4 lines. Ouch!

...and that's just to rerail the wagons. Will take many more days to fix the rest I should think!

 

[Monty]

...and that's just to rerail the wagons. Will take many more days to fix the rest I should think!

That's what I was thinking, the track layout looks pretty bespoke and I imagine it will take a day or two build replacement turnouts. Probably won't get properly sorted until the weekend.

 

[infobleep]

Signalling fault according to SWR twitter. Never rains....

I checked Twitter and it is a separate signalling issue at Woking, that according to one Twitter user, ReganAtk, has been going on for 2-3 hours and South Western Railway haven't been reporting it. That seems a long time not to report something like this. No idea if the time period is correct. Either way it won't be helping, what with the issues at Eastleigh.


https://twitter.com/ReganAtk/status/1222193553457188864?s=19

Perhaps they are too run off thier feet to be able to report them all.

Is this a code black or not wide ranging enough for that?

 

[infobleep]

Perhaps they are too run off thier feet to be able to report them all.

Is this a code black or not wide ranging enough for that?

This is to an extent also affecting the surbuban services. For example the 17:06 Waterloo to Hampton Court was cancelled because of the derailment. The 17:32 Woking to Waterloo is 27 minutes late because of the derailment. I'm assuming the derailed train affected those, as is being reported on the live departure boards online.

As these trains also form services on other lines those too will be affected.

As I passed through Wimbledon just now there was a 19 minute delayed train to Guildford via Cobham. That didn't have a reason so unless there is something else, liable to be the issues at Woking and Eastleigh.

 

[AmericanRich]

Perhaps they are too run off thier feet to be able to report them all.

Is this a code black or not wide ranging enough for that?

Even if that is the case, it's rather an important junction.

Currently on 1839 to fareham diverted to call Havant only. Not sure why it wouldn't call at the other PDL stations, given 1830 comes from Weymouth and 1900 cancelled, but I'm just a passenger so I'm sure none of my ideas are sensible.

Shocking lack of comms at Waterloo as well, but one expects that really.

 

[greaterwest]

Signalling fault according to SWR twitter. Never rains....

believe there was an unrelated SPAR/WSF at Woking earlier too.

These are directly related.

 

[greaterwest]

Is this a code black or not wide ranging enough for that?

Not just yet.

 

[pompeyfan]

These are directly related.

why would the two be related? They’re 50 odd miles apart?

 

[greaterwest]

why would the two be related? They’re 50 odd miles apart?

The SPAD & signalling fault at Woking referred to in the posts I quoted are...

 

[pompeyfan]

The SPAD & signalling fault at Woking referred to in the posts I quoted are...

Ah sorry, in my original post I was referring to the derailment and SPAD being unrelated.

 

[infobleep]

The SPAD & signalling fault at Woking referred to in the posts I quoted are...

Anyway platform 4 has reopened at least.

At what point should South Western Railway tell passengers there will be disruption tomorrow though Eastleigh or are they hopefully it will be resolved before then?

I'm not doubting those on here who say it won't be back tomorrow though so I'm expecting it to be disrupted.

 

[ChiefPlanner]

Anyway platform 4 has reopened at least.

At what point should South Western Railway tell passengers there will be disruption tomorrow though Eastleigh or are they hopefully it will be resolved before then?

I'm not doubting those on here who say it won't be back tomorrow though so I'm expecting it to be disrupted.

Everything seen on photos etc (and I am sure people are working very long hours to recover the service - and plan ahead for the damage restoration) , to me indicates this is not something that will be sorted out overnight as there is significant track damage and no doubt all sorts of signalling and power supply issues with the con rail. An awful lot more than a pair of wheels dropped off in a siding - alas....

(not to mention the stock impacts and access -or not - to Northam Depot)

 

[Wychwood93]

Everything seen on photos etc (and I am sure people are working very long hours to recover the service - and plan ahead for the damage restoration) , to me indicates this is not something that will be sorted out overnight as there is significant track damage and no doubt all sorts of signalling and power supply issues with the con rail. An awful lot more than a pair of wheels dropped off in a siding - alas....

(not to mention the stock impacts and access -or not - to Northam Depot)

Access to Northam will be, shall we say, compromised. Anything on the down that gets through, diverted or not, will be able to return to Northam. A good chance that up services in the morning will be alright. The early down services - e.g the 2W05 0540 Basingstoke/Weymouth - are another issue. A lot of work to be done to resolve stock to start with! Then there is the issue of whether the road through Eastleigh will be available on the down. I do not envy the guys and gals dealing with all this.

 

[antharro]

What happens in terms of compensation? Obviously passengers will have delay repay and I expect SWR will allow flexibility on when advance tickets can be used etc. But on a higher level, presumably SWR will receive some compensation... from...? From NR, who then reclaim it (along with costs?) from the freight company? Or do SWR claim directly from the freight company? And presumably NR will reclaim costs for repairs to the p-way from the freight company?

 

[Monty]

What happens in terms of compensation? Obviously passengers will have delay repay and I expect SWR will allow flexibility on when advance tickets can be used etc. But on a higher level, presumably SWR will receive some compensation... from...? From NR, who then reclaim it (along with costs?) from the freight company? Or do SWR claim directly from the freight company? And presumably NR will reclaim costs for repairs to the p-way from the freight company?

I suspect after what I saw and heard after speaking with the p-way crew on site I highly doubt Freightliner will be paying out a single penny. NR will be footing the bill for this one.

 

[pompeyfan]

Call it ‘interesting’ but it seems that some freight is being sent Reading - Guildford - Havant - Southampton. Probably got some suspect looks from the unsuspecting.

 

[bb21]

I'm not doubting those on here who say it won't be back tomorrow though so I'm expecting it to be disrupted.

Weymouth one an hour via Fareham (xx05 down, xx20 up), the other one cancelled.
Pompey via Eastleigh cancelled.
Poole semi-fast runs Poole - Southampton only.
Winchester - Basing shuttle all day.
Winchester - Southampton buses.

 

[swt_passenger]

Weymouth one an hour via Fareham (xx05 down, xx20 up), the other one cancelled.
Pompey via Eastleigh cancelled.
Poole semi-fast runs Poole - Southampton only.
Winchester - Basing shuttle all day.
Winchester - Southampton buses.

Is it still correct that there’s a “via Fareham” path available most hours of the day in the normal weekday timetable?