dk1
Veteran Member
ExactlyHmmm makes you wonder if an elections looming.....
ExactlyHmmm makes you wonder if an elections looming.....
Definitely.Movement?
With great respect, as I understand it, the offer is still available to be accepted if ASLEF change their mind. I'm not suggesting that they will or that they should or commenting on the behaviour of either side. But as the offer can be accepted it is still technically "on the table". It is semantics but one the government will continue with I imaging. Aslef cannot unilaterally "take it off the table" as it is not their offer to remove.
I do not believe that they should be forced to put it to their members and I see the argument why not. However the last move was made by the government with their offer - not matter how unacceptable. In traditional negotiation practice I would expect something of a counter from ASLEF - and "No, try again" doesn't count as such. The RMT made such a move and it led to a different offer, even if that was very cleary a short term fix.
Correct. It's gone. We pay Aslef to make these decisions and we vote to continue action if no deal is good enough to put to us. There is no offer on the table there's not even a table atm.Definitely.
I feel after Labour’s announcement of intent to renationalise; this government sense their end, and I’m sure they see it as a win to agree a pay deal in order to make the incoming (most likely Labour) government pay for it.
I guess this week’s local elections will tell us partly what the future holds.
But for the workers, particularly ASLEF, this could be a good move from Labour, and also an opportunity to achieve a fair deal.
Sorry to have ignored your post! Forgive me, I’m still trying to navigate this forum properly.
I understand the process to be; once an offer has been formally rejected, it cannot just be ‘left on the table to come back to’ as that negates the entire process of negotiations.
Once it has been formally rejected, it is by default, formally withdrawn and another firm offer (or counter offer) put in it’s place.
Which is what makes the statements made by MPs and the transport minister so laughable, because they themselves are unaware of how the process actually works. Yet they continue to say these ridiculous things in the press as though it is the truth.
Please feel free to correct me on this… I am simply stating my understanding and am happy to be corrected otherwise.
Movement?
I seriously doubt it. The only way that would happen would be if a no strings pay deal was offered that brought us right up to date with salaries.Could that mean strikes could be cancelled next week if there are 'potential talks' being tabled ?
I wouldn't hold your breath in this case.but often, strikes get called off when talks have been agreed as they are also a way to push negotiations.
And in any case surely too late now to affect next week.I wouldn't hold your breath in this case.
And in any case surely too late now to affect next week.
but often, strikes get called off when talks have been agreed as they are also a way to push negotiations.
I don't see the current Government or Labour if they get in offering a no strings pay rise of that magnitude. Politically that would be to difficult.I seriously doubt it. The only way that would happen would be if a no strings pay deal was offered that brought us right up to date with salaries.
But the post I was replying to was suggesting to bring them up for 5 years inflation which would be around 20% and be totally unrealistic.Low no strings offers has been offered by non DfT controlled TOCs like ARL so it can be done.
What have MP’s had over the last 3 years?But the post I was replying to was suggesting to bring them up for 5 years inflation which would be around 20% and be totally unrealistic.
It's irrelevant in what OP is saying, nobody is getting 20% no strings whether MPs have have had rises or not.What have MP’s had over the last 3 years?
I don’t think MP’s have had anywhere near 20% for 2022/23/24 I was just wandering what they have received in total for those 3 yearsIt's irrelevant in what OP is saying, nobody is getting 20% no strings whether MPs have have had rises or not.
20% would require a take what you want, implement what you want offer...
Absolutely no chance of them being cancelledCould that mean strikes could be cancelled next week if there are 'potential talks' being tabled ?
Absolutely no chance of them being cancelled
It's irrelevant. Why is there this constant obsession with comparing with MPs' salries? Jealousy?I don’t think MP’s have had anywhere near 20% for 2022/23/24 I was just wandering what they have received in total for those 3 years
And IF they did the TOCs wouldn't reinstate the trains. Too late. That's happened before.It’s not impossible. If talks place tomorrow (big if) and they’re positive, ASLEF might call them off as a good will gesture.
I've got a trip booked between 2nd and 7th June. I'm aware it's not this strike period, but going of previous trends what are the chances of a strike? Especially as it's across the TT change. For the record, I support the unions.
I'm 100% behind ASLEF. But a bit worried because next Thursday 9 May I need to be in London to catch an 11.00 Eurostar. I'm booked on the 06.43 from Liverpool LS to Euston; as Avanti drivers will have been on strike the previous day what are the chances that this will run? Does anyone know how many, if any, cancellations there were the morning after the last strikes?
Thanks. That's reassuring (sort of!).AlL the timetable changes are in for the strikes and that train is still planned to run as normal. With there being a rest day / overtime ban there’s a higher chance than normal of it being cancelled on the day, but that would be the same for any train.
And most civil servantsWhat have MP’s had over the last 3 years?
Hopefully you have purchased a London CIV ticket, in which case Eurostar will have to accommodate you on the next service with capacity.I'm 100% behind ASLEF. But a bit worried because next Thursday 9 May I need to be in London to catch an 11.00 Eurostar. I'm booked on the 06.43 from Liverpool LS to Euston; as Avanti drivers will have been on strike the previous day what are the chances that this will run? Does anyone know how many, if any, cancellations there were the morning after the last strikes?