Removing a call would reduce the issue of extended journey times though.
I'm not sure that was the main issue with the proposal!
Removing a call would reduce the issue of extended journey times though.
The tram-train will go to Meadowhall on it's way between Sheffield and Rotherham
Only way it could happen is to 4 track, Aldwarke Jnc (i think thats the right one) to Swinton to diverge Leeds and Doncaster traffic.7
Yeah - for the benefit of any "out of towners", the Rotherham station on the main Sheffield - Doncaster/Leeds line (Masborough) was closed to make way for a station on a loop through the town centre...
No.
The tram-train would run on the current Supertram infrastructure along the lower don valley from Ponds Forge to Meadowhall South, where the parallel NR freight branch splits off under the M1 to Rotherham Central.
Trams from Sheffield would either run from the city centre to Meadowhall via Meadowhall South or from the city centre to Rotherham via Meadowhall South.
And Meadowhall South is a fair way from the Network Rail station of Meadowhall.
AFAIK there are no plans to build a chord allowing trams to go from Meadowhall to Rotherham.
I took a picture of Meadowhall South a few weeks ago - I'll try to upload it when I'm home tonight to explain better.
Does anyone have to hand, the final amount of the refurbishment works at Rotherham Central that were concluded earlier this year ?
Does anyone have to hand, the final amount of the refurbishment works at Rotherham Central that were concluded earlier this year ?
,apparently South Yorkshire PTE are really pushing for it to be included as a standard stop in the new franchise from April 2015.
Another option would be to create more paths by running direct from Rotherham to Sheffield by the freight line and Nunnery Curve.
Of course this would mean missing Meadowhall which has developed into a parkway station for Sheffield and Rotherham and would be unattrcative to TPE.
Do we know for certain that most people don't want it? Any surveys etc?...
With the start of the new tram-train services ( which most people dont want )
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With the start of the new tram-train services ( which most people dont want ) Rotherham Central will have to have new platforms again just a few years after a rebuild of the station
I'd dispute the "most people don't want", but then I'd also dispute the claim that the rebuild of Rotherham Central has finished!
A better solution would be a simple split of local services into Central and long-distance services into Masborough?
So XC services to Newcastle/Scotland, TPE services to Cleethorpes, EMT services to Leeds, Northern services to Hull through Masborough. Stoppers to Doncaster & Leeds through Central.
That's what happens now if you mean not stopping. If you mean the other services should stop at Masborough, I don't see any point at all in spending a fortune on reopening a station whose concept would be a 'Parkway' and slowing down and stopping trains to serve it, when Meadowhall is so close, and a much more desirable destination than Rotherham (sorry!) in its own right.
Do we know for certain that most people don't want it? Any surveys etc?
http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511239
"If whoever lives in Rotherham wants to go to any of the places served by the current rail and tram network, why not just carry on doing that?
What another disappointing pile of crap token tuppence of a project!"
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So you think there's no need for a Tram-Train link to be built (because there are already train services in the area - despite this being a busy corridor and Rotherham having a pretty poor rail service), yet you favour a new chord at Gainsborough?
millions of pounds for a service that travels from Meadowhall to Rotherham with no stops in between, the tram should have been " street " running along the A6178 Sheffield Road this would have connected the urban area of Tinsley and Canklow , the tram would then terminate in Rotherham town center near the bus interchange.
Trains run to/from Rotherham to Meadowhall / Sheffield Midland around every 20 minutes, their then is of course is the well used X78 bus service that runs from Sheffield - Meadow"Hell"- Rotherham- Doncaster.
Yet again South Yorkshire PTE have lost the plot again with been involved with anything to do with the tram, people in Sheffield still can not forgive them for the massive cock up they did with running the tram system when it first started in 1993/4
Where the Supertram works, it works best by being segregated from traffic.
Running the tram along the A6178 would have made it much more expensive, much slower, wouldn't really serve the residential areas (just Magna and the industrial units), you'd have had to negotiate the roundabout at Junction 34...
...the "BRT" scheme was intended to provide the kind of "local" link that you are talking about - the tram-train was intended to provide a fast simple journey between the two connurbations.
Plus, as well as serving Rotherham Central (by the bus station), it will serve Parkgate too (which in many ways is the new Rotherham Town Centre).
Given the erratic nature of the X78s and the gaps in train services (two in ten minutes then nothing for half an hour), the tram should win a good share of the market between Sheffield and Rotherham, despite what the experts on SheffieldForum think.
I am not anti-tram far from it, I just think for the money the system and route could have been planned a little bit better, at the end of the day it is only going to be around for a few years before the penny will drop and they rip up the system
It would not go round the roundabout at J34 , it would connect to the A6178 by a viaduct from the single line at the side of Meadowhall / Tinsley Viaduct, this would bring it out bang opposite the large Tinsley estate,
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I just think for the money the system and route could have been planned a little bit better
what is the point of running to Parkgate , their is a " Free " bus that runs every 12 minutes from Rotherham Interchange to Parkgate Monday - Saturday.
Where does your view concerning the cost of "ripping up the system" have its basis from and if carried out, what fiscal amount do you think will be involved in carrying out this procedeure and reinstating matters back to their former self ?
This isn't a tram extension. This is a trial of tram-train technology. There's not much point in doing a trial of tram-trains if you then don't run the vehicles on any mainline railway.
Their was plans for the Tram to run to Dore Station using both street and train rails running but this was knocked on the head by the Labour government at the time
No, the plan was to lay additional tram-only tracks besides the mainline down to Dore station, with sections of single line / interleaved tracks where there wasn't sufficient space to fit in both new tracks. There has never been plans to run the Supertram (or any other modern tram for that matter) vehicles on the mainline.
Whilst noting the comments regarding the car park and the canal frontage, what parts of the station building infrastructure itself are still in need of further works?
It wont be long in the future that the line from Sheffield Midland / Rotherham Central / Masborough - Doncaster line is electrified at 25kv AC , the section of line from Rothertham Central to Woodburn Junction is a diversionary route so will have to be electrified at 25v AC.
At the end of the day the tram-train is just a trial.
Their was plans for the Tram to run to Dore Station using both street and train rails running but this was knocked on the head by the Labour government at the time
At £58m it will be made to work and will be around forever. Regarding the voltage, the trams on order are duel voltage and will work under 25v AC if they are needed to.
Do we have any more information on this?
So these trams will work on diesel, take power from the supertram 750v dc overhead, and also take power from 25kv AC? Who is building them?