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Thank Pav really appreciate the users of this forum helping out. I got sent some information from the OPC, but I feel they throw slight curve balls lol.
Ah okay thank you for that. There is a software you can buy that helps with this I wonder if it's any good? I have heard a few people say something about a story being read out too before the one test does this ring a bell?
Ah okay thank you for that. There is a software you can buy that helps with this I wonder if it's any good?
Legend, all the best.Hi folks - I hope this is okay.
I personally have just gone through the first part of the tests. Passed.
I would just like to thank people who put forward what they did and what to roughly expect, as it’s fresh in my mind, I thought I’d give an account of what happened on my test day.
It was TEA - OCC, DOTS, TRP1&2
TEA - OCC - first test was 10 sets of beeps ( low tones are always first - count them ) use fingers
Then it was a phone book with symbols and names. Circle the ones with double symbols. I.e OO, XX,**
Third test was both tests combined Look through phonebook while counting beeps, and we did this 6 times.
Audio Sounds and Phone Directory - Aptitude For Occupational Attention | Trainee Train Driver Info
This exclusive selective software download training system is the best way to prepare yourself for the telephone directory search while counting the mono tones. You will get a percentage score on completion and alert you of missed answers and tones. Our test is more difficulty than the actual...traineetraindriverinfo.com
This ^^ was very accurate to tests and sets you at a higher standard.
DOTS - 5 pages with 25 across and 16 down. I got 11 lines on 3 and 10 lines on 2.
TRP1&2 - Part 1, read a passage for 5 mins then you have 8 mins to answer 18 questions on it. You can write notes but they are taken away before test starts.
Part 2 - dials - you are presented with fictitious dials from a train cab and rules relating to their functioning. You are required to apply the rules to determine the order in which the dials should be checked. This is 43 questions 8mins - you will never complete this - so do not worry, plenty on here can attest to that. I answered 29 with the last being a guess as time ran out.
Hope this helps those in the future.
Everyone’s experience on these threads helped me, just thought I would collectively keep it together.
Now need to wait for my DMI and hopefully pass that and the next stage. Wish me luck ✌
I have heard a few people say something about a story being read out too before the one test does this ring a bell?
Adzlib
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Does anyone have any software for the ATAVT i know there are youtube vids but the software would be amazing if anyone has it and can PM me
Aspiring-drive
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Just found out i passed the computer assessments, so waiting to hear the outcome of the MMI. If i passed the paper and computer assessments but fail the Mmi, would i have to resit the whole thing? Or am i safe with the paper and computer assessments now?
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Are my understandings of these incidents correct? Thanks
Overshoot - stop train past platform and misses doors for passengers to safely get off
Stop short - a train comes to a stand prior to the designated stopping point such that some carriages are not adjacent to the operational platform
Fail to call - missed station stop
Additional call - added station stop
TPWS intervention - Train Protection Warning System - prevents speeding at certain locations.
Fatality - animal/person struck.
SPAD - Signal passed at danger
SOYSPAD - ( starting on yellow ) spad - where the train started on a caution signal and the driver did not appreciate that the next signal would be at danger.
SAS SPAD ( start against signal ) spad - This type of SPAD can occur if when at a station the driver is inadvertently given an indication by station staff, or the guard, that platform duties are complete
Overshoot - stop train past platform and misses doors for passengers to safely get off
Stop short - a train comes to a stand prior to the designated stopping point such that some carriages are not adjacent to the operational platform
Fail to call - missed station stop
Additional call - added station stop
TPWS intervention - Train Protection Warning System - prevents speeding at certain locations.
Fatality - animal/person struck.
SPAD - Signal passed at danger
SOYSPAD - ( starting on yellow ) spad - where the train started on a caution signal and the driver did not appreciate that the next signal would be at danger.
SAS SPAD ( start against signal ) spad - This type of SPAD can occur if when at a station the driver is inadvertently given an indication by station staff, or the guard, that platform duties are complete
Not had mine yet. With them. Has anyone who has OPC shed some light on the telephone directory test.
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Fundamentally correct but some technical details are missing. Probably some technical variances between TOCs
Why do you need this clarified for a recruitment thread ? Cheers in advance.
SOY and SAS SPAD definitions have been around for years. When you start to go deeper into each incident you start getting more and more technical. SAS and SOY help with understanding underlying causes into why the Spas occured.
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Was advised I may be asked of certain types of incidents and what do they mean in my DMI so just doing the homework.
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Hi All, Can anyone tell me what the current Conductor assessments are please. I believe SCATT is still in and also heard that some tests have been replaced with others but I don’t know what as yet.
Cheers Rich.
Cheers Rich.
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The telephone directory one is the third part of the tea-occ
U listen to a recording of tones that u need to count while circling the double symbols next to names on a telephone directory looking page.
TPWS intervention is when the TPWS puts the brakes in without the driver making a brake application at the time (due to overspeed either toward a red signal, or a speed restriction)
TPWS activation is as above, but when the TPWS activates and applies the brakes even though the driver is braking at the time (not enough braking).
Obviously an activation is the lesser of two evils, but both would be safety of the line incidents and need reporting.
Pedantic I know, but it’s also Train Protection and Warning System.
To be honest though, for the benefit of a DMI etc, you really don’t need to know much of what you’ve asked about.
Definitely read up on things like non-technical skills, as these are essential really and you’ll get brownie points if you can at least describe some now doubt. I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re asked what your understand of NTS is.
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SCAAT Test, RAAT Test, Situational Judgement Test. Some TOC still require to complete in addition a Math/Numerical Comprehension Test.
If successful to these will follow a Competency Based Interview.
Good luck!
Glad someone has had use from the practice material I made
As a bit of background I wrote that tones test blind before I had my psychometrics. The one I wrote is far longer and more difficult (faster) than the OPC one I actually sat on the day. I didn’t think it was a bad guess of what the test would be like though so if you’re doing as well as that then I think you’ll be good for the actual tones test.
Dots - make sure you’re doing it on pen and paper as that’s the format on the day (I used the other sketch I made for that) This does mean you’re manually marking your own work though but I think its important for getting used to the motor control of doing it as you will be tested.
As someone else mentioned your number of lines is good but the accuracy needs improving IMO (just keep at it, regular daily testing is better than sitting there doing test after test).
TRP - You don’t need to make verbose notes, you do need to be able to pick out salient points (colours / contexts / situations / locations). Maybe sketches or a more graphical note taking style would help.
Dials is pretty straight forward there’s discussion on it here somewhere with examples but you seem covered there also.
— MOST IMPORTANT ADVICE —
If the assessment is away from home or at a hotel then book a room at that hotel and go the day before. Being (relatively) relaxed and without travel stress is worth a lot to your ability to complete these tasks. I avoided caffeine, took a wander around the city and had a relaxing hot bath the night before my assessments.
The other candidates on the day were telling me about their stressful journeys to the assessment centre and none of them made it past the paper tests. Of course this is anecdotal but I think the cost of a hotel room is worth it for giving yourself the best chance of succeeding.
Finally some advice given to me, as much as you can, treat it as an experience. Turn up, do what you can, and if it works out great, if not then you’ve had insight into the process and a ’fun’ day away from usual routine.
Hi guys!
I know there is a plethora of information on here! But if anyone could help me out with the following questions, I'd be eternally grateful!
1) If you have sat the MMI/ CBI/ structured interview recently, what questions did you get? What was your overall experience?
2) Is the structured interview for Train Driver and Train Manager the same?
3) At there different variations of the Visual Search Exercise? Any tips you can give me?
I'm stressing out so bad. Any help is welcome!
I know there is a plethora of information on here! But if anyone could help me out with the following questions, I'd be eternally grateful!
1) If you have sat the MMI/ CBI/ structured interview recently, what questions did you get? What was your overall experience?
2) Is the structured interview for Train Driver and Train Manager the same?
3) At there different variations of the Visual Search Exercise? Any tips you can give me?
I'm stressing out so bad. Any help is welcome!
Whilst one can understand Assessments may be daunting, there really won't be much good done stressing too much as it will set the mind in the wrong train of thought and thus affect performance.
As for your requests there are on the fourm many threads via search bar on these topics that have been extensively covered. For your VSE question as example:
VSE may yes have slight different variations in the frequency of how the track changes colours etc but it's all usually the same style and parts as it's been since it came out with at the end you having to multitask with two ongoing different tasks.
MMI and DMI differ in that, MMI if failed will cost you one of your two lives where as DMI won't. DMI for the most part is less formal imo than the MMI. Its a time to mainly sell your ability both as a potential driver but potential colleague to the managers who will be possibly working with you thru your career at said TOC and will want to make sure they're picking a person to a degree they can get along with.
Depending on the Managers you can read the mood and know how to ideally bounce off that energy. Some managers will go in depth, others will mainly be casual and you'll find you're having a full blown, full flowing chat with some laughs and jokes which isn't really always the case if at all with MMI.
Having done research in the TOC and its routes and traction etc are bonuses and can show the Managers you're proactive.
MMI imo is more formal, its structured however which means if you follow the STAR method and have enough examples to meet the questions then you'll imo pass it well if you're decently confident.
MMI I believe is also carried out by an OPC Invigilator or in the presence of one where as DMI is usually with a Driver Manager of said TOC.
A question of MMI style would be:
"Tell us about a time in which you had to concentrate for an extended period of time?"
This question is quite open as you could name almost anything but ideally of you're really on the ball you'd link an example that relates actually to what the main goal of high concentration in any driver job is required for, being Safety.
Best of luck and stop stressing Sir!
As for your requests there are on the fourm many threads via search bar on these topics that have been extensively covered. For your VSE question as example:
VSE tips please!
Hello ladies and gents, I’m about to sit a VSE. Would be grateful if any of you guys could pass some tips on please, particularly for section 3 where you have to carry out both tasks together (ie. how many incorrects on the non priority side are acceptable?) TIA!
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VSE may yes have slight different variations in the frequency of how the track changes colours etc but it's all usually the same style and parts as it's been since it came out with at the end you having to multitask with two ongoing different tasks.
MMI and DMI differ in that, MMI if failed will cost you one of your two lives where as DMI won't. DMI for the most part is less formal imo than the MMI. Its a time to mainly sell your ability both as a potential driver but potential colleague to the managers who will be possibly working with you thru your career at said TOC and will want to make sure they're picking a person to a degree they can get along with.
Depending on the Managers you can read the mood and know how to ideally bounce off that energy. Some managers will go in depth, others will mainly be casual and you'll find you're having a full blown, full flowing chat with some laughs and jokes which isn't really always the case if at all with MMI.
Having done research in the TOC and its routes and traction etc are bonuses and can show the Managers you're proactive.
MMI imo is more formal, its structured however which means if you follow the STAR method and have enough examples to meet the questions then you'll imo pass it well if you're decently confident.
MMI I believe is also carried out by an OPC Invigilator or in the presence of one where as DMI is usually with a Driver Manager of said TOC.
A question of MMI style would be:
"Tell us about a time in which you had to concentrate for an extended period of time?"
This question is quite open as you could name almost anything but ideally of you're really on the ball you'd link an example that relates actually to what the main goal of high concentration in any driver job is required for, being Safety.
Best of luck and stop stressing Sir!
Hi @Samzino, thanks so much for your detailed response!
I done a lot of research on this forum, and a lot of people have said that the MMI is difficult for example, your prepared examples could get rejected, they grill you on an uncomfortable interrogation level... so I am a little worried
I done a lot of research on this forum, and a lot of people have said that the MMI is difficult for example, your prepared examples could get rejected, they grill you on an uncomfortable interrogation level... so I am a little worried
They'll only get rejected if you can't back them or if you seem liked you've pluked them from thin air. Part of being a driver will be the ability to deal with high pressure this will be a good insight.
Cheers!
Np
Hello everyone! Hope all is well!
I'm new here just reaching out some advice/reassurance
Currently undergoing assessments with southeastern, it's been split into two parts at the moment due to timing I think on the day. I've done everything up to the VSE and MMI
I was looking to see if anyone could give any insight in regards to the MMI, what to expect? Any advice, tips etc. With the VSE I have some practice material from the TOC so just going through them
Is there anyone else going through the same process?
Thanks all!
I'm new here just reaching out some advice/reassurance
Currently undergoing assessments with southeastern, it's been split into two parts at the moment due to timing I think on the day. I've done everything up to the VSE and MMI
I was looking to see if anyone could give any insight in regards to the MMI, what to expect? Any advice, tips etc. With the VSE I have some practice material from the TOC so just going through them
Is there anyone else going through the same process?
Thanks all!