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Dentonian

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I used Vueling and Flybe most recently. Flybe is less of a joke these days, which is pleasant. Vueling leg room was horrendous.

I flew Vueling last year and had no problems with leg room on a 2+ hour flight. As an interesting "aside" to illustrate the varied way the Airline industry works; I had flown to Spain (and its islands) a dozen times before my illness meant I could no longer afford Insurance, yet had never flown on a Spanish registered/operated a/c until this occasion. And the flight was MAN to Rome!

As Flybe has the nearest to what you might call a "comprehensive" network from MAN ie. numerous destinations AND numerous flights a day on some routes, it has been my most common carrier in recent years (albeit only 15 rotations in nearly as many years), and it is perhaps significant that the only two minor problems I have had, have been the two occasions I flew back from CDG. On each occasion, the delay was 50-90 minutes with little info provided by the agents at CDG, but once on board the crew explained that they had been simply playing catch up all day following problems at the start of the day (initial a/c went tech this time; crew shortage first time).
 
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I'd be amazed if anyone wanted to fly to Canberra unless they really had to. Ha ha. When I was in Australia and told Australians I had been there they asked why.

Unfortunately many Australians don't know how much there is to see and do in Canberra. I love the place, probably my favourite city in Australia. As a destination from Doha, not seeing the logic!
 

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It's a shame for Australia that even the bloke in the bus station thought it was funny we wanted to leave after six hours given it is the capital. Ha ha.

Did said gentleman have a paper bag concealing some from of alcohol that he regularly slugged from ?
 

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I flew Vueling last year and had no problems with leg room on a 2+ hour flight. As an interesting "aside" to illustrate the varied way the Airline industry works; I had flown to Spain (and its islands) a dozen times before my illness meant I could no longer afford Insurance, yet had never flown on a Spanish registered/operated a/c until this occasion. And the flight was MAN to Rome!

As Flybe has the nearest to what you might call a "comprehensive" network from MAN ie. numerous destinations AND numerous flights a day on some routes, it has been my most common carrier in recent years (albeit only 15 rotations in nearly as many years), and it is perhaps significant that the only two minor problems I have had, have been the two occasions I flew back from CDG. On each occasion, the delay was 50-90 minutes with little info provided by the agents at CDG, but once on board the crew explained that they had been simply playing catch up all day following problems at the start of the day (initial a/c went tech this time; crew shortage first time).

Welcome to EU operations! I'm on a domestic Alitalia flight soon - all registered in Ireland! Sorry to hear you can't travel anymore.

Horses for courses. For me it was a sardine tin. Thankfully the cabin attendant shifted us to an exit row.

Flybe used to be a bit of a joke, known unaffectionately known as Flymaybe. Their delay history seems to be getting better recently. Actually quite a pleasant experience. They have built themselves quite a nice little empire at Manchester, jumping into bed with everyone to get a codeshare. And yes, more or less good frequency on their Amsterdam, Paris and Dusseldorf routes which are their key codeshare routes. I was checking in luggage at Manchester recently for a Flybe flight to Amsterdam and there were a lot of people using it to connect properly to long-haul airlines out of Amsterdam, with very exotic destinations given at the check-in counter for destinations for baggage.
 

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Unfortunately many Australians don't know how much there is to see and do in Canberra. I love the place, probably my favourite city in Australia. As a destination from Doha, not seeing the logic!

While I was only there for a short period, I enjoyed Canberra. Friends recently relocated there, so I guess I'll be going again sooner than I thought.

As a destination - surely the load is government traffic up front rather than bulk down the back? I also understand that in both the case of QR and SQ the government offers an inducement? And did I read somewhere that the QR flight is a tag from Sydney? If so, could just be cheaper than parking fees at Kingsford Smith?
 

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Sorry, missed it. As I'm sat in front of a computer screen all day at work, I am limiting my time at home to when I need to catch up on potentially useful information - so I'm "disciplining" myself to only look on Tuesday evenings, Friday evenings and Sundays.

Didn't intend for it to sound grumpy. Sorry.
 

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Welcome to EU operations! I'm on a domestic Alitalia flight soon - all registered in Ireland! Sorry to hear you can't travel anymore.

Horses for courses. For me it was a sardine tin. Thankfully the cabin attendant shifted us to an exit row.

Flybe used to be a bit of a joke, known unaffectionately known as Flymaybe. Their delay history seems to be getting better recently. Actually quite a pleasant experience. They have built themselves quite a nice little empire at Manchester, jumping into bed with everyone to get a codeshare. And yes, more or less good frequency on their Amsterdam, Paris and Dusseldorf routes which are their key codeshare routes. I was checking in luggage at Manchester recently for a Flybe flight to Amsterdam and there were a lot of people using it to connect properly to long-haul airlines out of Amsterdam, with very exotic destinations given at the check-in counter for destinations for baggage.
I'm OK in the rest of the EU for now but Spain is far too expensive for medical insurance. Something to do with deregulated ambulance service...
 

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I'm OK in the rest of the EU for now but Spain is far too expensive for medical insurance. Something to do with deregulated ambulance service...
Interesting. The last few countries I travelled to didn't have much by way of a hospital, yet alone an ambulance!
 

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http://today.thefinancialexpress.co...an-to-get-one-dreamliner-in-august-1526744043

According to this posted in another forum, Biman Bangladesh are planning a return to Manchester. Will be dependent on getting their Dreamliners on time. Will operate Dhaka - Sylhet - Manchester - Sylhet. Likely to get a New York tag in time. Probably a couple of times per week at most. Still another welcome addition to the long haul service at Manchester. A commenter elsewhere noted that it's probably good news for the hotels dealing with disrupted passengers... Knocking Flymaybe off their perch?!
 

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http://today.thefinancialexpress.co...an-to-get-one-dreamliner-in-august-1526744043

According to this posted in another forum, Biman Bangladesh are planning a return to Manchester. Will be dependent on getting their Dreamliners on time. Will operate Dhaka - Sylhet - Manchester - Sylhet. Likely to get a New York tag in time. Probably a couple of times per week at most. Still another welcome addition to the long haul service at Manchester. A commenter elsewhere noted that it's probably good news for the hotels dealing with disrupted passengers... Knocking Flymaybe off their perch?!
Is this reputation deserved, especially as Flybe only do short haul? Based on both media coverage and casual observer of arr/ dep screen s including today, I would have thought Jet2 and TCX were Manchester s worst carriers.
 

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Is this reputation deserved, especially as Flybe only do short haul? Based on both media coverage and casual observer of arr/ dep screen s including today, I would have thought Jet2 and TCX were Manchester s worst carriers.
Tongue was firmly planted in my cheek there.

I've said before in this forum that the reputation is fast becoming ill-deserved. However, in the not too distant past absolutely it was deserved. Notable excuses in the past have been 'Crew is in Glasgow - unclear why - they are on the way' 'FO missed his alarm and overslept and is on his way'. Then not to mention the inevitable delay if a Q400 gets put on a rotation timed for an Embraer and is then chasing delays all day.

However, they are improving, and I do enjoy flying with them, choosing them over easyJet and KLM regularly. There is something really quite British about it all. Helps that flights are often half empty.
 

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There were lots of scheduled flights over the weekend to Kiev from Liverpool - any idea how to view what operated?
 

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It's quite an extensive list, please see below. The most exciting stuff at JLA was the SAA A340 and the Ethiopian 787.
 

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This is Thursday 24th as it stands:


GainJet GNJ174 B734 D-14:00hrs 24-05-18 IEV Kiev Zhuliany Airport


This is Friday 25th as it stands:


Jordan Aviation JAV2355 733 A-04:45hrs.25-05-18 AMM P
Jordan Aviation JAV2356 733 D-06:30hrs.25-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Windrose 7W7775 A321 A-07:00hrs 25:05-10 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Titan ZT961Y 763 A-07:00hrs.25-05-18 STN P
Windrose 7W0739 A321 A-07:25hrs.25-05-18 AMS P
Vueling VY4020 A320 A-07:30hrs.25-05-18 BCN P
Vueling VY4001 A320 A-07:45hrs.25-05-18 BCN P
Windrose 7W7776 A321 D-08:00hrs.25-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Windrose 7W7774 A321 D-08:00hrs 25-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
TUI Netherlands OR7671 76W D-08:20hrs.25-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Vueling VY4021 A320 D-08:45hrs.25-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
South African SA4263 A346 A-09:00hrs.25-05-18 FRA P
Titan ZT9691 763 D-09:00hrs.25-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Vueling VY4002 A320 D-09:00hrs.25-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
TUI fly Belgium TB956F A320 A-09:20hrs.25-05-18 CRL P
TUI Fly Belgium TB9570 A320 D-10:10hrs.25-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
South African SA2985 346 D-10:10hrs.25-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Ethiopian ET8700 359 A-10:35hrs.25-05-18 AMS P
SAA SA2985 346 D-10:10hrs.25-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Etiopian ET8702 A359 D-12:05hrs.25-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Siavia SVB001P M87 A-16:00hrs.25-05-18 CFE P
Titan ZT969P 763 A-17:35hrs.25-05-18 KBP P
Titan ZT971W 733 A-18:15hrs.25-05-18 EIN P
Windrose 7W7783 A321 A-18:30hrs.25-05-18 MUC P
Windrose 7W7774 A321 A-20:00hrs.25-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Air Bucharest BUR092P 733 A-22:00hrs.25-05-18 OTP P
Air Bucharest BUR925 733 D-23:00hrs.25-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Trade air TDR9388 100 A-19:25hrs.25-05-18 OSL P


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This is Sat 26th as it stands at the moment:


Ukraine Intl. PS8329 738 A-02:40hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
SkyJet SEK1001 734 A-03:30hrs. 26:05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Blue Air OB9961 73G D-03:35hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Ukraine Intl. PS8330 738 D-03:40hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Windrose 7W7777 320 A-04:00hrs. 26-05-18 DNK Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Vueling VY4049 320 A-04:30hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Jordan Aviation JAV2355 733 A-04:45hrs. 26-05-18 AMM Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Windrose 7W7778 321 D-04:55hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Danish Air Trans. DX951 M83 A-05:00hrs. 26-05-18 BLL Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Thomas Cook MT913P 319 A-05:15hrs. 26-05-18 VNO Kiev Boryspil International Airport
KlasJet KLJ1043 735 A-05:30hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Siavia SVB116 M87 D-06:00hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Jordan Aviation JAV2356 733 D-06:30hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
KlasJet KLJ1044 735 D-06:30hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
DAT DX5701 M83 D-05:50hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Thomas Cook MT9134 319 D-06:15hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
KlasJet KLJ1044 735 D-06:35hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Enter Air ENT503 738 D-06:30hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Aigle Azur ZI991F 320 A-06:35hrs. 26-05-18 ORY Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Titan ZT9721 733 D-07:00hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
SkyJet SEK2001 734 D-07:00hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Trade Air TDR388 100 D-07:00hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Vueling VY4004 320 A-07:30hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Aigle Azure ZI991 320 D-07:35hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
SkyJet SEK2001 734 D-07:00hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Titan ZT9721 733 D-07:00hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
Vueling VY4005 320 D-08:00hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil International Airport
CSA OK6514 319 D-08:05hrs. 26-05-18 KBP Kiev Boryspil I
 

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That's an impressive list. I'm struggling to imagine where they put all those aircraft at Liverpool in a relatively short space of time. Got to be the busiest few hours the airport has ever had, with scheduled services peppered in for good measure. Any photos of the day? I'm struggling to reconcile this huge list with the parking space at Liverpool.
 

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That's an impressive list. I'm struggling to imagine where they put all those aircraft at Liver uppool in a relatively short space of time. Got to be the busiest few hours the airport has ever had, with scheduled services peppered in for good measure. Any photos of the day? I'm struggling to reconcile this huge list with the parking space at Liverpool.
I'll have a word with a mate who will know where to look. Before the Athens final I believe there were 3 747's on the ground at once along with loads of narrow bodies. There is a fair amount of space on the ground which is never used as you head towards the river end of the runway. Still must have been chocka though. Sounds like Kiev had more space problems. Four of those flights from Liverpool were cancelled do to issues at Kiev.
 

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I'll have a word with a mate who will know where to look. Before the Athens final I believe there were 3 747's on the ground at once along with loads of narrow bodies. There is a fair amount of space on the ground which is never used as you head towards the river end of the runway. Still must have been chocka though. Sounds like Kiev had more space problems. Four of those flights from Liverpool were cancelled do to issues at Kiev.

It was said that most of the "issues" were more bureaucratic than anything else. I suspect the Ukrainians were having difficulties with the regulatory aspects of non-European airlines operating charters there. Does Ukraine have any sort of air service agreement with either Ethiopia or South Africa? And had a 787 or 350 ever visited that country previously?

It was also interesting how comparatively few wide-bodies featured: could it be that moving the final to a Saturday is making it harder to resource such aircraft? Given the laws of supply and demand this must have helped push up flight prices for what was always likely to be a long journey for fans of the teams involved. Let's hope UEFA doesn't decide to follow F1 to Baku!
 

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It was said that most of the "issues" were more bureaucratic than anything else. I suspect the Ukrainians were having difficulties with the regulatory aspects of non-European airlines operating charters there. Does Ukraine have any sort of air service agreement with either Ethiopia or South Africa? And had a 787 or 350 ever visited that country previously?

It was also interesting how comparatively few wide-bodies featured: could it be that moving the final to a Saturday is making it harder to resource such aircraft? Given the laws of supply and demand this must have helped push up flight prices for what was always likely to be a long journey for fans of the teams involved. Let's hope UEFA doesn't decide to follow F1 to Baku!

Much as the admin and legal issues might have been a problem at the Kiev end, could aircraft size have been an issue at Liverpool? Hence why the "third" Ethiopian flight would have used Manchester.
 

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Much as the admin and legal issues might have been a problem at the Kiev end, could aircraft size have been an issue at Liverpool? Hence why the "third" Ethiopian flight would have used Manchester.

It's mentioned up-thread that 747s have appeared at LPL previously and that ramp space is available if somewhat remote from the terminals. The logistics of using such ramp space at dark o'clock may have been more of an issue. I still wonder about the overall economics from the fans point of view arising from a weekend instead of mid-week final.
 

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It's mentioned up-thread that 747s have appeared at LPL previously and that ramp space is available if somewhat remote from the terminals. The logistics of using such ramp space at dark o'clock may have been more of an issue. I still wonder about the overall economics from the fans point of view arising from a weekend instead of mid-week final.
It could well have been bureaucratic as you earlier mentioned. The cancelled flights were all narrow bodies. I believe the problems at Kiev were air traffic control related. I think the A-350 at Manchester was just because JLA couldn't take the total number of passengers not because an A-350 couldn't fit. An A-346 flew from Liverpool.
 

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It was said that most of the "issues" were more bureaucratic than anything else. I suspect the Ukrainians were having difficulties with the regulatory aspects of non-European airlines operating charters there. Does Ukraine have any sort of air service agreement with either Ethiopia or South Africa? And had a 787 or 350 ever visited that country previously?

It was also interesting how comparatively few wide-bodies featured: could it be that moving the final to a Saturday is making it harder to resource such aircraft? Given the laws of supply and demand this must have helped push up flight prices for what was always likely to be a long journey for fans of the teams involved. Let's hope UEFA doesn't decide to follow F1 to Baku!
Ethiopian were going to be pulling the aircraft from night stops in Brussels, London and (unknown), which operate daily so shouldn't have been a problem.
 

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It could well have been bureaucratic as you earlier mentioned. The cancelled flights were all narrow bodies. I believe the problems at Kiev were air traffic control related. I think the A-350 at Manchester was just because JLA couldn't take the total number of passengers not because an A-350 couldn't fit. An A-346 flew from Liverpool.
I thought all of the cancelled flights were widebodies?

It all smells a bit, and surely a terrible situation for the plane loads of passengers.
 

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That's a pain. The flight numbers in the Liverpool Echo don't tally with the ones on my list apart from the Ethiopean A-359 which I think was flying from Manchester.
 

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That's a pain. The flight numbers in the Liverpool Echo don't tally with the ones on my list apart from the Ethiopean A-359 which I think was flying from Manchester.

The Manchester flight in question was indeed supposed to be an A359, f/n ET8706/7 iirc "running on/off" the Frankfurt service. There was also supposed to be a Ukrainian 767, but in the end MAN handled an XLF A330, Transavia France 738 and an Enter Air 738.
 

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The Manchester flight in question was indeed supposed to be an A359, f/n ET8706/7 iirc "running on/off" the Frankfurt service. There was also supposed to be a Ukrainian 767, but in the end MAN handled an XLF A330, Transavia France 738 and an Enter Air 738.

As a matter of trivia that XLF A330 (F-GRSQ) has Champion's League form: it worked to MAN from Turin for the final of 2003!
 
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