Barry scrap yard 1973

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Spamcan81 said:
No idea which Bulleid it is but I can tell you it's not 34081 as by '73 she'd still got her buffers and we'd painted her number on the smokebox.
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Have you got any photos from around then 34081?
 
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crosscity said:
These are my last two photos taken in August 1973 (but it's not the end as I went in October too)


03Aug73. Railrover trip. Barry Scrap Yard. SR MN Class 35010 BLUE STAR. [Slide_0424] by Ray, on Flickr
What is the loco ending 79. More difficult: what are the locos behind 35010?
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Robin Edwards said:
to the left of Blue Star is 4MT 260 76079 now running on NYMR. The Bullied behind will need further scrutiny.
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The identity of the Bulleid behind 35010 is still to be established plus the other locos in the line-up (if possible).
 
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Spamcan81 said:
Think it's a Hall. The Prairie to the right of 34081 is 4110.
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Ah ok.
Which part of the yard is 34081 parked in there? Was there a specific area that was used to store sold locos that were about to be taken away?
 
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Cowley said:
Ah ok.
Which part of the yard is 34081 parked in there? Was there a specific area that was used to store sold locos that were about to be taken away?
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She got moved around a bit and to be honest, I don't recall which bit of the yard she was in at that time. I do recall she was moved again before we collected her in late '76,
 
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Ash Bridge said:
It's just possible that it is 35011 General Steam Navigation, still working on it at the moment....
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I have looked at a few images of 35011 taken after mine and which you may have seen too. Although none are around 1973 there are some indicators that 35011 is most likely to be the one - including a chunk missing off the sole bar, a piece of panel hanging off under the cab number and a similar tender with the loco. In those images the loco is in a different place in the yard, so unless someone has a picture from 1973 it is unlikely that the other locos in the line will be identified. Thank you to Ash Bridge for pointing me in the right direction. Time for the next photo, I think.
 
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crosscity said:
I have looked at a few images of 35011 taken after mine and which you may have seen too. Although none are around 1973 there are some indicators that 35011 is most likely to be the one - including a chunk missing off the sole bar, a piece of panel hanging off under the cab number and a similar tender with the loco. In those images the loco is in a different place in the yard, so unless someone has a picture from 1973 it is unlikely that the other locos in the line will be identified. Thank you to Ash Bridge for pointing me in the right direction. Time for the next photo, I think.
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35027 Port Line might also be a contender.
It was tenderless and had the same bit of missing solebar.
Not easy this.
 
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Cowley said:
35027 Port Line might also be a contender.
It was tenderless and had the same bit of missing solebar.
Not easy this.
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Robin Edwards said:
My possible contender is 34010 Sidmouth. There is this image from 1973 of 34010 behind another Bulleid and with a GWR tender behind?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/64518...ypm-qUURKg-HhZmgA-e5y3Mw-SRtibW-qYUkGY-FmKdbX

I also checked my note books and can say that 35010 & 34010 were "close" if not adjacent in 1975, 1978 & 1980
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Cowley said:
That’s pretty compelling Robin. I think you’re right there.
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This is more compelling than 35011 - so I will go with 34010, but only as 'most likely'.
 
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Robin Edwards said:
Set back cylinders says GWR Castle class (with missing chimney?) - options for searching are 5080, 5043 (left in 1973), 5029. Worth a look at King 6023 & 6024
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Definitely a Castle I would say. You can tell by the way the cylinders are slightly set into the solebar.
 
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crosscity said:
This is more compelling than 35011 - so I will go with 34010, but only as 'most likely'.
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Yes I think you're correct to go for Robins suggestion; having looked again the GW tender behind 35011 seems to be a larger variant with higher sides than that behind Sidmouth, the one in your shot looks more in keeping with the smaller lower sided type.
 
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I went to Barry in August 73 but don't remember any numbers apart from D601 - the only time I can remember ever seeing one of the D6XX Warships. It was in a pretty dilapidated state and I seem to remember there was talk about that time of trying to save it but nothing came of it. Interest in diesels then was almost zero. I wish I had had the foresight to remove one of the brass bogie plates which were like miniature NBL diamond worksplates but you always regret the things you never did.
 
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Czesziafan said:
I went to Barry in August 73 but don't remember any numbers apart from D601 - the only time I can remember ever seeing one of the D6XX Warships. It was in a pretty dilapidated state and I seem to remember there was talk about that time of trying to save it but nothing came of it. Interest in diesels then was almost zero. I wish I had had the foresight to remove one of the brass bogie plates which were like miniature NBL diamond worksplates but you always regret the things you never did.
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Just for you - my picture of D601 in August 73, also the only time I saw one.

03Aug73. Railrover trip. Barry Scrap Yard. Warship Class 41 D601 ARK ROYAL. [Slide_0415] by Ray, on Flickr
 
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Bevan Price said:
If anyone has the time (and inclination) to search them all, there must be hundreds of photos from Barry (at different dates) here:-
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Most photographers did what I did - recorded the main subject, but not the secondary ones behind, or at the side. No one took pictures of every loco. When I went i just wanted to get a flavour of the scene which was exciting and very sad at the same time. I couldn't afford to use a few rolls of film, and I only carried one or two unexposed rolls anyway. This is why my queries have generated such interesting responses, and finding the answers so frustrating.

There are so many pictures, but the locos in their raw rusty state, some with no numbers visible, can look like others of the same type. The locos were moved often, so for many of the 'targets' taken in different years, their surrounds bring in an element of doubt.

The websites might give clues to my outstanding queries, so thank you for listing them.
 
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crosscity said:
I have now got a bonus query as a result of incorrect recording in 1973!

06Oct73. Merrymaker trip. Barry Scrap Yard. SR BB Class 34068 KENLEY. [Slide_0487] by Ray, on Flickr
A comment made recently says: "34068 was not at Woodhams afaik. I think this could be 34028 Eddystone?"
Anyone know?
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Zooming in on the yellow paint just past where the front r/h buffer should be, I see 34058. I was confused on this one because there are images taken after 1973 showing 34058 to have front buffers although it is quite possible these were replaced to aid in shunting or as part of some cosmetic work carried out on a prospective purchase.
There is also the faint semblance of this number on the smokebox door.
 
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