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Discussion in 'Railway History & Nostalgia' started by crosscity, 14 Oct 2019.
Have you got any photos from around then 34081?
Well I'm 99% certain that light pacific is 34067 Tangmere.
Definitely looks like it. Another one that John Bunch was involved with...
I've had a look at a few pictures of 34067 at Barry which verifies your post. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction.
34081-19750200 by KING COBRA 92, on Flickr
The identity of the Bulleid behind 35010 is still to be established plus the other locos in the line-up (if possible).
Oh blimey, thanks for that. To see how it looked in Sunshine livery a few decades later you just wouldn’t believe it was the same machine.
Is that a Castle in front?
Think it's a Hall. The Prairie to the right of 34081 is 4110.
Which part of the yard is 34081 parked in there? Was there a specific area that was used to store sold locos that were about to be taken away?
She got moved around a bit and to be honest, I don't recall which bit of the yard she was in at that time. I do recall she was moved again before we collected her in late '76,
It's just possible that it is 35011 General Steam Navigation, still working on it at the moment....
I have looked at a few images of 35011 taken after mine and which you may have seen too. Although none are around 1973 there are some indicators that 35011 is most likely to be the one - including a chunk missing off the sole bar, a piece of panel hanging off under the cab number and a similar tender with the loco. In those images the loco is in a different place in the yard, so unless someone has a picture from 1973 it is unlikely that the other locos in the line will be identified. Thank you to Ash Bridge for pointing me in the right direction. Time for the next photo, I think.
35027 Port Line might also be a contender.
It was tenderless and had the same bit of missing solebar.
Not easy this.
My possible contender is 34010 Sidmouth. There is this image from 1973 of 34010 behind another Bulleid and with a GWR tender behind?
I also checked my note books and can say that 35010 & 34010 were "close" if not adjacent in 1975, 1978 & 1980
That’s pretty compelling Robin. I think you’re right there.
This is more compelling than 35011 - so I will go with 34010, but only as 'most likely'.
I hope this is a bit easier.
06Oct73. Merrymaker trip. Barry Scrap Yard. SR MN Class 35029 ELLERMAN LINES. [Slide_0480] by Ray, on Flickr
What is the other loco?
The Merchant Navy has a longer firebox than the WC/BB light pacific and looking at the target Bulleid, I think the latter with shorter firebox has a greater shout. This image illustrates this perfectly between 34101 and 35022
Set back cylinders says GWR Castle class (with missing chimney?) - options for searching are 5080, 5043 (left in 1973), 5029. Worth a look at King 6023 & 6024
Definitely a Castle I would say. You can tell by the way the cylinders are slightly set into the solebar.
Yes I think you're correct to go for Robins suggestion; having looked again the GW tender behind 35011 seems to be a larger variant with higher sides than that behind Sidmouth, the one in your shot looks more in keeping with the smaller lower sided type.
Nunney Castle seems to be a possible contender as it was missing it’s chimney at that time?
I went to Barry in August 73 but don't remember any numbers apart from D601 - the only time I can remember ever seeing one of the D6XX Warships. It was in a pretty dilapidated state and I seem to remember there was talk about that time of trying to save it but nothing came of it. Interest in diesels then was almost zero. I wish I had had the foresight to remove one of the brass bogie plates which were like miniature NBL diamond worksplates but you always regret the things you never did.
Just for you - my picture of D601 in August 73, also the only time I saw one.
03Aug73. Railrover trip. Barry Scrap Yard. Warship Class 41 D601 ARK ROYAL. [Slide_0415] by Ray, on Flickr
I have now got a bonus query as a result of incorrect recording in 1973!
06Oct73. Merrymaker trip. Barry Scrap Yard. SR BB Class 34068 KENLEY. [Slide_0487] by Ray, on Flickr
A comment made recently says: "34068 was not at Woodhams afaik. I think this could be 34028 Eddystone?"
34068 was broken up at Eastleigh 31/3/64
If anyone has the time (and inclination) to search them all, there must be hundreds of photos from Barry (at different dates) here:-
Most photographers did what I did - recorded the main subject, but not the secondary ones behind, or at the side. No one took pictures of every loco. When I went i just wanted to get a flavour of the scene which was exciting and very sad at the same time. I couldn't afford to use a few rolls of film, and I only carried one or two unexposed rolls anyway. This is why my queries have generated such interesting responses, and finding the answers so frustrating.
There are so many pictures, but the locos in their raw rusty state, some with no numbers visible, can look like others of the same type. The locos were moved often, so for many of the 'targets' taken in different years, their surrounds bring in an element of doubt.
The websites might give clues to my outstanding queries, so thank you for listing them.
Zooming in on the yellow paint just past where the front r/h buffer should be, I see 34058. I was confused on this one because there are images taken after 1973 showing 34058 to have front buffers although it is quite possible these were replaced to aid in shunting or as part of some cosmetic work carried out on a prospective purchase.
There is also the faint semblance of this number on the smokebox door.