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Beeching: The wonderful gift of hindsight.

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I was 5 years old when the Beeching report was published. By the time I was old enough to buy a train tickret there were few trains left to catch here in rural Wiltshire.. I grew up accepting that Dr B. had a task to perform, and, until now, I didn't totally disagree with the closures that occurred. I know that hindsight is a much misunderstood gift, but I can't help feeling that Beeching lacked foresight. Today, I almost entirely reject the basis for closing half the network. In the frankest of terms, Beeching was wrong. I'm not a misty-eyed nostalgist, I barely remember steam, I simply want our railways back. Too late, I fear.
 
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There was one line that Beeching kept, although it wasn't viable at the time, but it was viewed as important stratigicly. That was the North Downs Line, which he ratained by doing away with station staff.

The line now has OK passenger numbers (Farnborough North which is one of the more minor stations on the line, and where there is another station in the town, has 176,667 passenger trips originating from it in a year) and I'm not aware of the line being a death trap (as a certain union leader would suggest it would be if the station staff were being removed now).
 

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The beeching report was a failure, were the cost savings actually achieved?

Agreed some lines were in trouble, quite a lot of duplication but the shear scale of the cuts meant the UK rail network would never recover and i dont think it has.

So many strategic gaps, lack of paths, no flexibility for engineering works are just a few issues, my home town was hit hard by the cuts, it took many years to bring the railway back, it should never have been removed entirely.

Steam had to go, but i think its the way it was removed from the country that annoyed most, engines had a 35 year service life, yet 9Fs were scrapped after 7 years, a cronic waste, if dieselisation hadnt been rushed we could have sorted out all the problems with the new fleet of engines.

With the closure of such a vast amount you loose the industry too, hence why we only have one train builder in the UK, and who knows how long that will remain, they dont even make popular trains Bombardiers legacy will be the voyager, not exactly something to be proud off.
 

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Beeching was appointed chairman of the British Railways Board by Ernest Marples minister of transport with the brief of reducing the massive debt on the railways.

Marples simply thought railways were basically a Victorian folly and would never compete with roads.

Beeching was only doing what he was told, if anybody was the villian in this it was Marples.

Marples was the managing director of Marples Ridgeway a large road and construction company.
When he became minister of transport he was told he would have to sell his 80% shareholding because of the conflict of interests.
He sold them to his wife !

His company built the bottom section of the M1 amongst other large projects.

If Beeching had been allowed to cut everything he proposed most of Wales and Scotland would be train-less now.
Nothing west of Plymouth and the East Coast line would end at Newcastle.

You need to remember at the time oil was very cheap and the middle-east problems hadn't yet forced the massive increase.
So with petrol being dirt cheap roads in his opinion were the way to go.
 

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Was it not the case that beeching wanted to introduce freightliner trains? This was refused, thus we ended up getting massive cuts in the railways without the investment that was proposed?

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Beeching is being nominated as one of the greatest men that has worked for British Rail.
He will always be a touchy subject some people say he saved British Rail back then and then others say he was anti-rail and wanted more Motorways.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, nobody back in the 60's could of seen the boom in rail travel we have today.
Incidently the biggest cock up closure had nothing to do with him, that honour goes to Mr Reid i believe for the closure of the Woodhead pass.
 

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I think your thinking of Serpell not Beeching; I don't think he proposed cuts quite that drastic.

I thought he wanted the ECML north of Newcastle downgraded to regional not trunk status, that's all.

I read a very good WHSmiths publication on the whole Beeching saga. I wasn't quite as against him as I was before.

He had merits, at the end of the day he was asked to do a job, which he did, they just went about it the wrong way. Keeping the branch lines mothballed rather than selling on would have helped once the realisation that it wasn't the way to go, it would have been cheap to reinstate... he was also asked to do the wrong job. Not helped by the labour government that followed either. Or the self interest in Marples.

Although there are lines that should have closed, for example the Worth Valley line should have closed; it was poor at best.
 
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The closing of railways was not the biggest crime, it was allowing them to be built over so they could not be easily be brought back into use.
 

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I'll expand my question seeing as there are a load more people who've responded now, who's actually read the Beeching report?
 

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I'll expand my question seeing as there are a load more people who've responded now, who's actually read the Beeching report?


I have read it by skimming through it a few years ago.


I don't think people need to read it from end to end here is all you need to know.


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SUMMARY OF THE REPORT​
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The Report describes the investigations carried out, the conclusions which were drawn, and
the proposals which are made for the purpose of reshaping British Railways to suit modern
conditions.
The thought underlying the whole Report is that the railways should be used to meet that part
of the total transport requirement of the country for which they offer the best available means,
and that they should cease to do things for which they are ill suited. To this end, studies were
made to determine the extent to which the present pattern of the railways' services is
consistent with the characteristics which distinguish railways as a mode of transport,
namely:— the high cost of their specialised and exclusive route system, and their low cost per
unit moved if traffic is carried in dense flows of well-loaded through trains. As a result, it is
concluded that, in many respects, they are being used in ways which emphasise their
disadvantages and fail to exploit their advantages.
The proposals for reshaping the railways are all directed towards giving them a route system,
a pattern of traffics, and a mode of operation, such as to make the field which they cover one
in which their merits predominate and in which they can be competitive.
To this end, it is proposed to build up traffic on the well-loaded routes, to foster those traffics
which lend themselves to movement in well-loaded through trains, and to develop the new
services necessary for that purpose. At the same time, it is proposed to close down routes
which are so lightly loaded as to have no chance of paying their way, and to discontinue
services which cannot be provided economically by rail. These proposals are, however, not so
sweeping as to attempt to bring the railways to a final pattern in one stage, with the associated
risks of abandoning too much or, alternatively, of spending wastefully.
Although railways can only be economic if routes carry dense traffic, density is so low over
much of the system that revenue derived from the movement of passengers and freight over
more than half the route miles of British Railways is insufficient to cover the cost of the route
alone. In other words, revenue does not pay for the maintenance of the track and the
maintenance and operation of the signalling system, quite apart from the cost of running
trains, depots, yards and stations. Also, it is found that the cost of more than half of the
stations is greater than the receipts from traffic which they originate.
Amongst traffics, stopping passenger services are exceptionally poor. As a group, they are
very lightly loaded and do not cover their own movement costs. They account for most of the
train miles on much of the lightly loaded route mileage, but also account for a considerable
train mileage on more heavily loaded routes, and are one of the main causes for the continued
existence of many of the small and uneconomic stations.
Fast and semi-fast, inter-city passenger trains are potentially profitable and need to be
developed selectively, along with other forms of traffic on trunk routes. High peak traffics at
holiday periods are, however, very unremunerative. They are dying away and provision for
them will be reduced.
Suburban services feeding London come close to covering their full expenses, but give no
margin to provide for costly increases in capacity, even though they are overloaded and
demand goes on increasing.
Suburban services feeding other centres of population are serious loss makers, and it will not
be possible to continue them satisfactorily without treating them as a part of a concerted
system of transport for the cities which they serve.
Freight traffic, like passenger traffic, includes good flows, but also includes much which is
unsuitable, or which is unsuitably handled by the railways at present. The greater part of all
freight traffic is handled by the staging forward of individual wagons from yard to yard,
instead of by through-train movement. This is costly, and causes transit times to be slow and
variable. It also leads to low utilisation of wagons and necessitates the provision of a very
large and costly wagon fleet.
Coal traffic as a whole just about pays its way, but, in spite of its suitability for through train
movement, about two thirds of the total coal handled on rail still moves by the wagon-load.
This is very largely due to the absence of facilities for train loading at the pits, and to the
multiplicity of small receiving terminals to which coal is consigned. Block train movement is
increasing, but substantial savings will result from acceleration of the change. This depends,
in turn, upon provision of bunkers for train loading at the pits, bunkers for ship loading at the
ports, and of coal concentration depots to which coal can be moved by rail for final road
distribution to small industrial and domestic consumers.
Wagon-load freight traffic, other than coal, is a bad loss maker when taken as a group, but
over half of it is siding-to-siding traffic, much of which moves in trainload quantities, and
this makes a good contribution to system cost. One third of the remainder moves between
sidings and docks, and this falls just short of covering its direct costs. The remaining 30 per
cent. of the whole passes through stations, at one or both ends of its transit, and causes a loss
relative to direct expenses which is so large that it submerges the credit margin on all the rest.
Freight sundries traffic is also a bad loss maker. It is handled at present between over 900
stations and depots, which causes very poor wagon loading and a high level of costly
transhipment of the freight while in transit. Railways handle only about 45 per cent. of this
traffic in the country, and do not select the flows which are most suitable for rail movement.
If they are to stay in the business, British Railways must concentrate more upon the inter-city
flows and reduce the number of depots handling this form of traffic to not more than a
hundred.
Study of traffic not on rail shows that there is a considerable tonnage which is potentially
good rail traffic. This includes about 8 m. tons which could be carried in train-load quantities,
and a further 30 m. tons which is favourable to rail by virtue of the consignment sizes,
lengths of haul, and terminal conditions. In addition, there is a further 16 m. tons which is
potentially good traffic for a new kind of service—a Liner Train service—for the combined
road and rail movement of containerised merchandise.
Preliminary studies of a system of liner train services, which might carry at least the 16 m.
tons of new traffic referred to above and a similar quantity drawn from traffic which is now
carried unremuneratively on rail, show such services to be very promising and likely to
contribute substantially to support of the main railway network, if developed.
The steps proposed, to achieve the improvements referred to above, are:—
(1) Discontinuance of many stopping passenger services.
(2) Transfer of the modern multiple unit stock displaced to continuing services
which are still steam locomotive hauled.
(3) Closure of a high proportion of the total number of small stations to passenger
traffic.
(4) Selective improvement of inter-city passenger services and rationalisation of
routes.
(5) Damping down of seasonal peaks of passenger traffic and withdrawal of
corridor coaching stock held for the purpose of covering them at present.
(6) Co-ordination of suburban train and bus services and charges, in collaboration
with municipal authorities, with the alternative of fare increases and possible
closure of services.
(7) Co-ordination of passenger parcels services with the Post Office.
(8) Increase of block train movement of coal, by:—
a inducing the National Coal Board to provide train loading facilities at
collieries;
b inducing the establishment of coal concentration depots, in
collaboration with the National Coal Board and the distributors.
(9) Reduction of the uneconomic freight traffic passing through small stations by
closing them progressively, but with regard to the preservation of potentially
good railway traffics, and by adjustment to charges.
(10) Attraction of more siding-to-siding traffics suitable for through-train
movement by operating such trains at the expense of the wagon forwarding
system and by provision of time-tabled trains, of special stock, to meet
customer requirements.
(11) Study and development of a network of "Liner Train" services to carry flows
of traffic which, though dense, are composed of consignments too small in
themselves to justify through-train operation.
(12) Concentration of freight sundries traffic upon about 100 main depots, many of
them associated with Liner Train depots, and carriage of main flows of
sundries on Liner Trains, probably coupled with passenger parcels, and
possibly Post Office parcels and letters.
(13) Rapid, progressive withdrawal of freight wagons over the next three years.
(14) Continued replacement of steam by diesel locomotives for main line traction,
up to a probable requirement of at least 3,750/4,250 (1,698 already in service
and 950 on order at present).
(15) Rationalisation of the composition and use of the Railways' road cartage fleet.
These various lines of action are strongly interdependent. If the whole plan is implemented
with vigour, however, much (though not necessarily all) of the Railways' deficit should be​
eliminated by 1970.
 

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Barbara Castle approved a lot of the closure during her tenure at Transport.

I agree with Pugwash's post that the land should have been safeguarded for future use.
 
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IMHO the biggest mistake of the Beeching closures, and the post-Beeching closures of freight routes in the 70s and 80s wasn't the closures themselves, but the absence of any legislation to restrict development on the former trackbeds to allow for possible future reinstatement of services.

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Was it not the case that beeching wanted to introduce freightliner trains? This was refused, thus we ended up getting massive cuts in the railways without the investment that was proposed?
The Beeching report did instigate the Freightliner network. It also introduced the effective "merry go round" style of operation of block coal trains. The Beeching Report was actually pretty effective in reshaping the railfreight network to meet modern requirements. Line closures were only one aspect of the Beeching report that was implemented.
 

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Out of curiosity have you read the report?

I've read Beeching and Serpell, I understand what was said and done, and why. My view is that decisions were made based on flawed methodology and for political reasons. I know that the railways were losing vast amounts of money before Beeching, but this wasn't the answer. I accept that this is a view that I hold in 2012, and did not before.
 

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There was one line that Beeching kept, although it wasn't viable at the time, but it was viewed as important stratigicly. That was the North Downs Line, which he ratained by doing away with station staff.

The line now has OK passenger numbers (Farnborough North which is one of the more minor stations on the line, and where there is another station in the town, has 176,667 passenger trips originating from it in a year) and I'm not aware of the line being a death trap (as a certain union leader would suggest it would be if the station staff were being removed now).

I believe that that route was shown on the Beeching map with a red dotted line, i.e. as a route which was to have a "modified" passenger service, so I suspect that there was an aim to close, if not all, certainly most passenger services.

What saved the local service was dieselisation using spare vehicles (Tadpole units made up of a Hastings DEMU motor carriage, a Hastings trailer and an EPB driving trailer) in a plan instigated by Ron Cotton, the local manager later tasked with closing the Settle Carlisle line but who helped to develop the passenger traffic that eventually made it viable (Truly someone who deserves to be remembered as making a positive contribution to railway history).
 

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The hindsight is indeed a wonderful tool but it's a case of we are where we are

True.

We have to be realistic about the current situation.

You can blame Beeching for not protecting trackbeds (etc), but at the time the feeling was that these closed lines wouldn't be coming back to life (and there weren't the preserved railways that exist today to take them on).

Should we be preserving every old phone box as they become scrapped? Maybe in fifty years time people will be arguing that we should have, and we were naive not to predict the surge in demand for phone boxes, but we don't have 20/20 hindsight/ foresight.
 
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I think that in the spirit of the first post, it is easy to use hindsight to know better. That said, hindsight should never be an antidote for lack of foresight either. I too have read precis of both Beeching and Surpel, and both had things in common.

1, The evidence cited was the position as it stood at that time. No effort was given to predict future changes. The decline of rail, with an immediate replacement by road was seen as inevitable and desirable.

2, There was a political agenda to "modernise" transport, which gained some support from the growing ranks of motorists (who would never willingly move back out of their new car back into a train).

3, The formulae used to determine the value or validity of a route were based on very simple models, which were later found to be too simple.

4, There was no built in safeguard against error. Lines closed were sold. Policies to ensure that rail would struggle to compete abounded. The architectural value of classic railway buidings was not considered (Just yesterday I looked at the Midland Hotel / St Pancras Station in the evening sun, and thought "what if Sir John B and the Victorian Society had not have saved this...")

But frankly, railway policy is not the only area that has suffered from these planning flaws.
 

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I think that in the spirit of the first post, it is easy to use hindsight to know better. That said, hindsight should never be an antidote for lack of foresight either. I too have read precis of both Beeching and Surpel, and both had things in common.

1, The evidence cited was the position as it stood at that time. No effort was given to predict future changes. The decline of rail, with an immediate replacement by road was seen as inevitable and desirable.

2, There was a political agenda to "modernise" transport, which gained some support from the growing ranks of motorists (who would never willingly move back out of their new car back into a train).

3, The formulae used to determine the value or validity of a route were based on very simple models, which were later found to be too simple.

4, There was no built in safeguard against error. Lines closed were sold. Policies to ensure that rail would struggle to compete abounded. The architectural value of classic railway buidings was not considered (Just yesterday I looked at the Midland Hotel / St Pancras Station in the evening sun, and thought "what if Sir John B and the Victorian Society had not have saved this...")

But frankly, railway policy is not the only area that has suffered from these planning flaws.

Almost exactly my views on the subject.
 

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I have the report on pdf if anyone wants to PM me.

The report is littered with inconsistency and hidden facts such as it fails to mention passenger numbers had been increasing in the lat 50's 890 million in 1954, 1065 million in 1961.

Marple's fled the country for tax evasion and died in Monaco in 1975.
 

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such as it fails to mention passenger numbers had been increasing in the lat 50's 890 million in 1954, 1065 million in 1961.

Though it should be mentioned that this is more of a blip than a trend as, of course, passenger numbers continued to collapse until about 1981.
 

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I thought Merry go Round was first thought of by Gerry Fiennes (I tried to run a railway P80), as a result of Beeching's criticism of BR's vast wagon fleet which spent most of the time idle in sidings. Fiennes also disagreed with Beeching over the proposed closures of Salisbury - Exeter and Plymouth - Penzance.

I've posted something similar elsewhere. Beeching was part of a process. Railway closures began in the 30's particularly narrow guage lines unable to compete with the bus and lorry. In 1948 the rail network was nationalised and the steam locomotive was seen as dirty and outdated.

So the Modernisation plan was launched in 1955. But when the costs involved were published, the Treasury reacted that the taxpayer would not stand for this expense. So the railways asked to be freed from obligation to provide services and to have the ability to act as a commercial organisation. Out went the British Transport Commission and in came the British Railways board.

Beeching was a consultant with ICI and simply organised a head count of usage of Britains railways. Also targeted were duplicate routes, such as Plymouth and Exeter did not need two express routes from London. One would be closed or relegated.

Beeching's proposals were in fact administered under a Labour government which did nothing to stop the proposed closures. As mentioned this was the 60's and the public looked to the freedom of the open road and the car

Closures continued after Beeching, in the West country Plymouth - Exeter via Okehampton went in 1968, Barnstaple - Ilfracombe 1970 and was Bridport closed 1976?

As already mentioned the real shame is that parts of former trackbeds have been built over such as the station sites at Ringwood, Halwill Jcn and Bude
 
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The rights and wrongs of the Beeching - Marples axis have been discussed since the early sixties. The general consensus being that the wrongs outweighed the rights. What seems to have been quietly forgotten was a clause in the 1962 Transport Act that decreed that routes of closed railways, deemed to be of possible strategic value, were to be kept clear. They were identified and noted at the time of closure but, within a handful of years, this requirement was either ignored or repealed. I have never seen any evidence of the latter. Perhaps someone on here knows different.

One route that I am familiar which was designated as 'strategic', at the time of closure, was the Riverside Branch in Cardiff which penetrated right into the heart of the revitalised Dockland area with all its leisure and political facilities. By about 1970 the route was effectively blocked by a factory building. So much for 'strategic'.

Even at the time of closure this was a busy branch and, without the benefit of hindsight, I was stunned when it appeared in the infamous list. I suppose that the political philosophy of the time decreed that only one line into the docks was needed; the Bute Road Branch, now Cardiff Bay.

That is okay if you are travelling from north of Cardiff but, if travelling from the Vale of Glamorgan; Penarth or Barry, it is a pain in the proverbial. Clarence Road Station, rebuilt shortly before closure, is a stones throw from the National Assembly and all its associated offices along with the Millenium Centre and the dozens of restaurants and other places of entertainment.

It would have come into its own had the route remained. I am sure that there will be many other examples known to contributors to this forum.

The lesson of that time is that only raw data was used to justify wholesale destruction rather than a balanced attempt to see what was wrong with failing services and address the problems.
 

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One thing that gets me about the Beeching closures is that there appears to have been little attempt to reduce the running costs of lines beyond simply closing lines and stations.

This can be contrasted with the later BR approach of one-train-working, entirely multiple unit operated services and unmanned stations.

Single the Grand Central north of Aylesbury like the West of England Main Line and operate entirely with Class 101s and 121s would have cut costs enormously, especially as all the bridges and the like had to be maintained anyway.
 
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The closing of railways was not the biggest crime, it was allowing them to be built over so they could not be easily be brought back into use.

Very true.
You could get the impression that track bed was built on to make the closure irrevocable.
Having a continuous transport corridor - it doesn't take the brightest person in the World to work out it may have a future, road, tram bus etc etc especially in Towns/ Cities.
 

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The closing of railways was not the biggest crime, it was allowing them to be built over so they could not be easily be brought back into use.

This is the exact same point I'd planned to raise once I'd read through the thread.

Its one thing that a transport corridor is out of use, quite another that its effectively gone for good.
 
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I read Beeching when it came out in the 1960s. I did not agree with it then, and don't agree with it now.

What annoys me is that the planning for Milton Keynes was already at a pretty advance stage by then, and yet they still closed the Wolverton to Newport Pagnell line despite it running through much of where the built up areas were planned.

I think that the planners had seen the future in the USA (of 12 lane highways and cloverleaf intersections) and wanted Britain to copy that. Railways were yesterday's transport in those days.

After all, we were all supposed to be flying cars in space by the year 2000, or so we were told at school.
 

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Though it should be mentioned that this is more of a blip than a trend as, of course, passenger numbers continued to collapse until about 1981.

viewed form today with 50 years of figures on top yes but back in the early 60's it would have been dynamite. Near 20% growth in the decade leading up to the report was an embarrassing fact that had to be hidden. Read the text of the report its authors pretend on several pages that road traffic had already eroded passenger traffic away - without presenting any evidence. As there wasn't any at the time, the collapse in rail use happened after the report not before. It explodes another myth of the time that the ASLEF strike in 55 drove traffic away certainly not passengers anyway.

I quote Terry Gourvish's offcial history of BR by the way for the numbers.
 
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