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Because Water Orton is a station in Warwickshire. (You mean Water Eaton.) :p

Note that there is a recent precedent: Bishopton Park and Ride site is now known as Stratford Parkway. You could make the same argument about that one.

I knew I'd get those two confused.. :)
 
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If ever a typo undermined an argument. :D

I think Oxford Parkway is just easier to publicise. I don't know what kind of data Chiltern track on confusion between Warwick and Warwick Parkway but it's probably fair to assume they don't see it as a significant problem there so it (probably) won't be in Oxford either. I guess DOO trains going over the Oxford route might mean the quality of on board information available to passengers is lower but this is all probably just a storm in a teacup.
 

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If ever a typo undermined an argument. :D

I think Oxford Parkway is just easier to publicise. I don't know what kind of data Chiltern track on confusion between Warwick and Warwick Parkway but it's probably fair to assume they don't see it as a significant problem there so it (probably) won't be in Oxford either. I guess DOO trains going over the Oxford route might mean the quality of on board information available to passengers is lower but this is all probably just a storm in a teacup.

In my experience announcements by the drivers on Chiltern are considerably and consistantly better than the information provided by the conductor on several other TOCs.


 

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Because Water Orton is a station in Warwickshire. (You mean Water Eaton.) :p

Note that there is a recent precedent: Bishopton Park and Ride site is now known as Stratford Parkway. You could make the same argument about that one.

This is the second time you have posted this nonsense about Bishopton. The name of the bus park-and-ride site has not been changed. At least not by Warwickshire County Council, which owns it.

http://warwickshiretravel.co.uk/stratfordparkandride/

Their webpage about park-and-ride schemes makes a clear differentiation between the rail and bus facilities.

http://warwickshiretravel.co.uk/bus/park-and-ride-in-warwickshire/
 

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I'd really just call it Kidlington. I'm glad they dropped 'Water Eaton' though - that was just confusing on a line that will run past Bletchley.
 

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I'd really just call it Kidlington. I'm glad they dropped 'Water Eaton' though - that was just confusing on a line that will run past Bletchley.

Two Water Eatons, not to mention a Water Orton could be very confusing to the unwary!

However, the station is not actually in Kidlington (though calling it a "Parkway" does suggest it is some way from its namesake). 'North Oxford Parkway' is perhaps a better name - I'd also hope that Kidlington could regain a station on the Banbury line at some point. It always seems a bit odd that (disputably) England's largest village lost its station when places like Heyford and Tackley retained theirs.
 

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Two Water Eatons, not to mention a Water Orton could be very confusing to the unwary!

However, the station is not actually in Kidlington (though calling it a "Parkway" does suggest it is some way from its namesake). 'North Oxford Parkway' is perhaps a better name - I'd also hope that Kidlington could regain a station on the Banbury line at some point. It always seems a bit odd that (disputably) England's largest village lost its station when places like Heyford and Tackley retained theirs.

As noted further up the thread, there are other parkways, like Didcot, in the middle of towns, so the word can mean pretty much anything these days. North Oxford Parkway is definitely a better and more honest name than Oxford Parkway but why on earth you wouldn't also acknowledge it is on the doorstep of a community of 17,000 people beats me.

Unless Oxfordshire County Council wins the lottery, there is zero chance of the station on the Banbury line reopening and the only trains that would call would be the patchy FGW service to Banbury, so not a whole lot of use anyway.

The reason the station closed is because Kidlington has lots of buses to and from Oxford, which can also serve the sprawl that is Kidlington rather better than a single station. All the other intermediate stations to Banbury lie off the main road and/or are the other side of the River Cherwell, so bus replacement was nigh on impossible. For similar reasons the Oxfordshire halts on the Cotswold Line stayed open, as the roads are no great shakes in the Evenlode Valley either, while their counterparts further up the line in Worcestershire, where the road alternatives were more straightforward, were all culled.
 

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Does anyone know if the there is truth to the rumour that i have recently herd about the final day of service between Bicester Town and Oxford being the 14th of February.
 

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Does anyone know if the there is truth to the rumour that i have recently herd about the final day of service between Bicester Town and Oxford being the 14th of February.

That's always been the likely time - it won't be the 'final day of service' though, cos it will re-open... :D
 

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The actual date is yet to be confirmed but the fact that the train service would be suspended at some point in February has been common knowledge locally for some time and has appeared in official statements from Chiltern, including the one on October 30 referred to on the previous page. I seem to recall them saying they would give 10 weeks' notice of the suspension, so we're getting into that period now.
 

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Does anyone know if the there is truth to the rumour that i have recently herd about the final day of service between Bicester Town and Oxford being the 14th of February.

Open train times certainly has 14/2/14 down as being the last day of trains, with buses taking over the next day.

Adam :D
 

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The paper timetable booklet doesn't mention a specific date, but 14 February is now within the 12-week horizon so online journey planners should be showing it.
 

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It might be measured in seats per hour rather than trips per hour. You can't get 150 people on a bus.

You're often lucky to get 15 people on this service. I don't think the equivalent capacity of a two-car 165 is actually needed, especially as many are likely to switch to the X5/S5 while the works are happening.
 

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I wonder, if the rail replacement bus is much more frequent than the existing rail service, whether it might actually abstract traffic from the X5/S5 given that the train fare is currently much cheaper. At the moment, it's worth paying more for the bus because it's more frequent and stops at both end are more conveniently located.
 

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I would imagine that the STP buses are in fact replacing the WTT bus this day, and the system hasn't yet been updated.

Adam :D
 

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Why's that bus service so much more frequent?

Could it be more frequent than the train service because some replacement buses will be non-stop via the A34, while others will serve Islip (and use back roads to get there) en route to Oxford?
 

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In recent weeks lots more vegetation has been cleared - there is now a clear view from the Bicester perimeter road (A4421 Charbridge Lane) looking north along the west side of the Chlltern main line embankment where the new chord is taking shape. The footings for the new chord are now clearly visible from the Chiltern line. After a lull, deliveries of ballast for construction appear to have recommenced this week - 47727 and 66510 were top and tailing the empties from Bicester to Hinksey yard yesterday (Wednesday 11/12/13).

Also around the entrance to the MoD site the trackbed of a former facing connection (facing if heading in the down direction from Oxford) have now been revealed. This has been obscured by vegetation for many years - I wasn't aware such a connection had even existed.

Official posters have appeared advising of bustitution of the passenger service between Oxford - Islip - Bicester from Saturday 15 February 2014. I also note that timings for freight exist in realtime trains beyond that date, not least to the MoD and Banbury Road stone terminal. Presumably also deliveries of stone etc for construction will be required for some time. It appears there is still much to do before the chord is complete. I had seen it mentioned that construction of the new chord is due to take 6 months (which in theory would mean the chord being ready in March given that work started in September). No doubt they will be keen to get it completed asap but is March really true?
 

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You're often lucky to get 15 people on this service. I don't think the equivalent capacity of a two-car 165 is actually needed, especially as many are likely to switch to the X5/S5 while the works are happening

What a load of rubbish!

Sorry, but if you've ever travelled in the peaks, you'd know that they are often full & standing!...plus up to a dozen bikes, which is causing a headache re subbing buses with that capacity

Also, there are often 50+ from/to Bicester Village in the pm. Might I suggest you go take an (overdue?) visit?

Could it be more frequent than the train service because some replacement buses will be non-stop via the A34, while others will serve Islip (and use back roads to get there) en route to Oxford?

This is true

I wonder, if the rail replacement bus is much more frequent than the existing rail service, whether it might actually abstract traffic from the X5/S5 given that the train fare is currently much cheaper. At the moment, it's worth paying more for the bus because it's more frequent and stops at both end are more conveniently located.

Like your thinking - I wouldn't at all be surprised if Chiltern are thinking the same way, although the RUG & I share the view that the X5/S5 are likely to pick up commuters who use the train for speed, and now both routes are buses, will use the more comfortable, more frequent service buses
 

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In recent weeks lots more vegetation has been cleared - there is now a clear view from the Bicester perimeter road (A4421 Charbridge Lane) looking north along the west side of the Chlltern main line embankment where the new chord is taking shape. The footings for the new chord are now clearly visible from the Chiltern line.

Many thanks for the update - I was beginning to wonder what was happening. Please keep the updates coming.
 

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From the article:



Really?

I think the reference relates to the point that its probably the first non Hs Line and first New built in the traditional sense in that tiime.
Would someone please be able to fill me in a little on this as I am not local.
How mcu track ( forgive my lack of knowledge) Is currently down and where.
If there are gaos how long are they etc. And is this as big in terns of distance in relation to for exaple the Waverley Route
 

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I think the reference relates to the point that its probably the first non Hs Line and first New built in the traditional sense in that tiime.
Would someone please be able to fill me in a little on this as I am not local.
How mcu track ( forgive my lack of knowledge) Is currently down and where.
If there are gaos how long are they etc. And is this as big in terns of distance in relation to for exaple the Waverley Route

The only 100% new formation is the curve linking the Chiltern Main Line with the Varsity Line, the rest being primarily reinstatement of the former double track and linespeed upgrades, with remodelling where necessary.

Logically, it would also make sense to install OLE at the same time as the construction is taking place, to avoid the need for closures almost immediately after opening to do so as part of the East-West Rail project.
 

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What a load of rubbish!

Yet again I find myself having to explain basic manners to people on this forum. Regardless of opinions or even of facts, it is UTTERLY unacceptable to address other users in this manner.

Sorry, but if you've ever traveled in the peaks, you'd know that they are often full & standing!...plus up to a dozen bikes, which is causing a headache re subbing buses with that capacity

Also, there are often 50+ from/to Bicester Village in the pm. Might I suggest you go take an (overdue?) visit?

I'm not overdue for a visit, my last was in October. I have never seen the line be busy at all, but if it does experience sudden bursts of patronage in the peaks, politely tell me so and I will know better. I'm always open to correction! Just not to flat-out rudeness like your first line.

As I said I expect a lot of people will switch to the (always very busy) X5 and S5 during the works. By far the majority of Oxford-Bicester passengers use these services as opposed to the train at present, due largely to the higher frequency and better located stopping points.
 

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I'm not overdue for a visit, my last was in October. I have never seen the line be busy at all, but if it does experience sudden bursts of patronage in the peaks, politely tell me so and I will know better

It might help to clarify the tearm 'peak' here. Given that the service runs roughlt every 90 minutes, you are really talking about one train a day in each direction. It shouldn't really be beyond the bounds of possibility to provide an adequate bus replacement - the biggest problem being the frequent disruption on the A34 caused by regular accidents.

When all lines out of Marylebone shut down a few weeks ago after someone was hit by a train, I and a load of other people travelled via Oxford. We all got seats on the Bicester train.
 
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