When did 853 get there?....ohh on this http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O36704/2018/09/08/advanced... Also changed the first post to reflect.No 158s are allocated to Heaton 851 and 853 are there for driver training
So presumably there would be no change for the Newcastle to Nunthorpe and Bishop Auckland to Saltburn services who will be stuck with Pacers for years to come unless more 156s are releasedNo details of dates, sorry but my understanding is that Class 158s will run the limited stop Northern Connect services from Newcastle to Carlisle, replacing current Newcastle to Hexham slots.. Perhaps 156s will retain the all-stations existing services to Carlisle?
So presumably there would be no change for the Newcastle to Nunthorpe and Bishop Auckland to Saltburn services who will be stuck with Pacers for years to come unless more 156s are released
I wonder if northern are intending to transfer north the refreshed 3 car 158's which seem to run mostly on the Calder Valley or use the completed 2 cars the first of which has recently arrived at Neville hill from crewe.No details of dates, sorry but my understanding is that Class 158s will run the limited stop Northern Connect services from Newcastle to Carlisle, replacing current Newcastle to Hexham slots.. Perhaps 156s will retain the all-stations existing services to Carlisle?
Crewe is Arriva, not Brush.I wonder if northern are intending to transfer north the refreshed 3 car 158's which seem to run mostly on the Calder Valley or use the completed 2 cars the first of which has recently arrived at Neville hill from brush at crewe.
K
I think it's been confirmed that Heaton will have all of the Angel 156s (possibly including the 156s from ScotRail?), plus some 158s. No 150s are planned to go to Heaton iirc.Pacers will be gone next year (inaccessible after 31 December 2019). If directly replaced then a 156 will have significantly more seats than a 142.
The question I've not seen answered is whether the "Heaton" routes will see two types of traction (i.e. 158s replacing 156s, 156s replacing 142s) or if there'll be some 150s for the Bishop Auckland - Saltburn line (where arguably they may be better suited than 156s).
There's the usual argument about the simplicity of as few types of unit as possible versus the flexibility of having different horses for different courses, but I've not seen anything official.
Corrected my mistakeCrewe is Arriva, not Brush.
Aren't 150s considered unsuitable (If not outright barred) from operating Durham Coast services due to curved platforms and door positions leading to large gaps between train and platform? If so, they'd be an awkward unit to add to Heaton's roster.I think it's been confirmed that Heaton will have all of the Angel 156s (possibly including the 156s from ScotRail?), plus some 158s. No 150s are planned to go to Heaton iirc.
Nothing to do with curved platforms or door positions: 150s aren't cleared to work between between Brockley Whins and Monkwearmouth due to gauge clearance, presumably with lineside structures. There are restrictions even on Network Rail's 150 derived track inspection unit, which does operate along the route, over this section.Aren't 150s considered unsuitable (If not outright barred) from operating Durham Coast services due to curved platforms and door positions leading to large gaps between train and platform? If so, they'd be an awkward unit to add to Heaton's roster.
The 3-car 158s are staying where they are: Heaton depot is gaining eighteen 2-car class 158s; the sixteen Perkins engined units in the 1588xx series, plus two others.I wonder if northern are intending to transfer north the refreshed 3 car 158's which seem to run mostly on the Calder Valley or use the completed 2 cars the first of which has recently arrived at Neville hill from crewe.
K
Heaton depot will be solely allocated 156s and 158s, there won't be any 150s in the north east. 158s on the Middlesbrough - Newcastle and Newcastle - Carlisle "Northern Connect" services, and 156s for everything else, though with eighteen 158s to play with I'd expect a few to turn up on non-Connect turns too.The question I've not seen answered is whether the "Heaton" routes will see two types of traction (i.e. 158s replacing 156s, 156s replacing 142s) or if there'll be some 150s for the Bishop Auckland - Saltburn line (where arguably they may be better suited than 156s).
The section shared with Metro is the section where 150s are barred, so is unlikely to be platform issues, I could be wrong though.Aren't 150s considered unsuitable (If not outright barred) from operating Durham Coast services due to curved platforms and door positions leading to large gaps between train and platform? If so, they'd be an awkward unit to add to Heaton's roster.
There were 2 158s and a 170 parked outside Heaton a few days ago, not sure of the identities though.Heaton is due to get a definitive number of 2 car perkins powered 158s
The first has gone up to begin traction training last week
Ironically the 150s are cleared over the South Hylton branch whilst the other sprinters aren't...Nothing to do with curved platforms or door positions: 150s aren't cleared to work between between Brockley Whins and Monkwearmouth due to gauge clearance, presumably with lineside structures. There are restrictions even on Network Rail's 150 derived track inspection unit, which does operate along the route, over this section.
Heaton's allocation after the reshuffle is to be 18 156s, all of the Angel owned 156s at Northern, and the 5 ex ScotRail 156s iirc. Pacers being replaced by both 156s and 158s.The 3-car 158s are staying where they are: Heaton depot is gaining eighteen 2-car class 158s; the sixteen Perkins engined units in the 1588xx series, plus two others.
Heaton depot will be solely allocated 156s and 158s, there won't be any 150s in the north east. 158s on the Middlesbrough - Newcastle and Newcastle - Carlisle "Northern Connect" services, and 156s for everything else, though with eighteen 158s to play with I'd expect a few to turn up on non-Connect turns too.
158851 and 158853 are at Heaton at present for driver training. I think the 170 that remains there is 170460, and it won't be staying: Two units (170459/460) failed while being transferred from Haymarket to Neville Hill at the end of July and were sent to Heaton for the interim. There's now just the one unit waiting to complete the move to Leeds.There were 2 158s and a 170 parked outside Heaton a few days ago, not sure of the identities though.
That'll no doubt be to permit use of Network Rail's 950001 over the route.Ironically the 150s are cleared over the South Hylton branch whilst the other sprinters aren't...
I'd heard that would be the case: That's a lot of class 156 units (29 at my count). I wonder whether their diagrams will be split between the North East and Yorkshire (I appreciate that 156s haven't had any Yorkshire diagrams in a number of years) as per Heaton's 142s at present, or whether they will solely be for use in the North East?Heaton's allocation after the reshuffle is to be 18 156s, all of the Angel owned 156s at Northern, and the 5 ex ScotRail 156s iirc. Pacers being replaced by both 156s and 158s.
I'd have thought Neville Hill will retain some, as they're planned to operate several West Yorkshire services such as Huddersfield to Sheffield/Castleford, and Dearne Valley stoppers. Operating those services out of Newton Heath is possible, but would require awkward arrangements to get them to or from the depot (ECS via Standedge which won't be a frequent Northern route, or in service via Calder or Hope). Quite a few of the WY services will get 3-car 150s so that might be where the split (assuming there is one) is.are all the 150s going to be based at newton heath then with the 195s when the shed is built for them?
I think it's been confirmed that Heaton will have all of the Angel 156s (possibly including the 156s from ScotRail?), plus some 158s. No 150s are planned to go to Heaton iirc.
Heaton depot will be solely allocated 156s and 158s, there won't be any 150s in the north east. 158s on the Middlesbrough - Newcastle and Newcastle - Carlisle "Northern Connect" services, and 156s for everything else, though with eighteen 158s to play with I'd expect a few to turn up on non-Connect turns too.
Though half the Heaton 142 diagrams are in Yorkshire: I don't know whether that'd be the case for the 156s (Once the 142s are gone). If not, then it would be a definite gain in units available for use in the North East.So Heaton will have all their current fleet of 24 Angel leased 156s plus the five from ScotRail plus 18 158 two cars? A total of 47 units? Current fleet is 35 142s and 21 156s. A total of 56 units. So they loose 9 units next year?
The 3-car 158s are staying where they are: Heaton depot is gaining eighteen 2-car class 158s; the sixteen Perkins engined units in the 1588xx series, plus two others.
Do we know if the Newcastle - Middlesbrough "Northern Connect" service will run via Sunderland, or via Durham and the Stillington line?The 3-car 158s are staying where they are: Heaton depot is gaining eighteen 2-car class 158s; the sixteen Perkins engined units in the 1588xx series, plus two others.
Heaton depot will be solely allocated 156s and 158s, there won't be any 150s in the north east. 158s on the Middlesbrough - Newcastle and Newcastle - Carlisle "Northern Connect" services, and 156s for everything else, though with eighteen 158s to play with I'd expect a few to turn up on non-Connect turns too.
December 2019 I believe is the idea. Sometime in 2020 is probably more likely.All very interesting but bearing in mind how long things seem to take on the railway when's it all going to happen.
K