Class 319 LNR withdrawal date

[TheHSRailFan]

319219 sounds like it is ready to give up.
There's a lot of things that do not sound healthy about it and i wont be surprised if this is the next to be binned.

 

[warwickshire]

319219 sounds like it is ready to give up.
There's a lot of things that do not sound healthy about it and i wont be surprised if this is the next to be binned.

Hasn't been for a very long while, has a outstanding history of failure on low power.
Has failed quite a few times on regular occasions recently. Very notorious for it.
Surprised its survived over 319220. To be honest.

 

[Silverlinky]

319433+214 currently working 2K45 1639 Euston to Milton Keynes
319457+219 currently working 2T63 1624 Euston to Tring

319217 tactical spare

319220 and 319215 have left Kings Heath over the past week or so.

2 further units will be stood down at Camden after working 2T16 0851 Tring to Euston on Tuesday 21st November and replaced by 730's ex Camden for the afternoon circuit. These 319's will then move to Kings Heath before 27th for onward movement by rail which is planned for Monday 27th.

The last two units will be stood down after working 2B06 0656 Bletchley to Euston on Monday 27th November. These units will join the spare unit at Kings Heath at some point after 27th once room created by the removal of the first two.

 

[warwickshire]

Does anyone know where 319215 has gone to?
Thank You.

 

[kingston_toon]

Hi all, a few of us are planning to bash some 319s for a mini pub crawl this evening. Can anyone confirm which units will be out tonight and on which diagram? I understand the 17:39 ex-EUS was a 730 last night.

Cheers!

 

[Silverlinky]

457+219 should be on 1639 Euston-MK, 1757 MK-Eus, 1924 Eus-Tring, 2015 Tring-Eus, 2106 Eus-MK
433+214 should be on 1624 Eus-Tring, 1715 Tring-Eus, 1809 Eus-MK, 1927 MK-Eus, 2054 Eus-Bly

These could be swapped over ex-Camden so they are the other way round, but those are the 319 circuits this evening.

1739 ex Euston last night was 350 formed, 101 and 373 did the honours.

A pair of 319's will be out and about on Sunday due to an engineering block closing the line to/from Northampton. All Sunday services are formed with units ex-Bletchley because of this, including the 319's.

1226, 1522 and 1822 ex Milton Keynes to Euston,
1352, 1652 and 1952* ex Euston to Milton Keynes (*1952 only runs as far as Bletchley)

 

[D7666]

457+219 should be on 1639 Euston-MK, 1757 MK-Eus, 1924 Eus-Tring, 2015 Tring-Eus, 2106 Eus-MK
433+214 should be on 1624 Eus-Tring, 1715 Tring-Eus, 1809 Eus-MK, 1927 MK-Eus, 2054 Eus-Bly

They did indeed work those trains not inverted at Camden; I did 2 return trips Euston Watford; the /4s were at London end on both circuits.

There were a goodly number of cranks around this evening them doing them, indeed I'd say more around than there were on Monday evening doing the first evenings 730s with 319s too.

 

[kingston_toon]

457+219 should be on 1639 Euston-MK, 1757 MK-Eus, 1924 Eus-Tring, 2015 Tring-Eus, 2106 Eus-MK
433+214 should be on 1624 Eus-Tring, 1715 Tring-Eus, 1809 Eus-MK, 1927 MK-Eus, 2054 Eus-Bly

These could be swapped over ex-Camden so they are the other way round, but those are the 319 circuits this evening.

1739 ex Euston last night was 350 formed, 101 and 373 did the honours.

A pair of 319's will be out and about on Sunday due to an engineering block closing the line to/from Northampton. All Sunday services are formed with units ex-Bletchley because of this, including the 319's.

1226, 1522 and 1822 ex Milton Keynes to Euston,
1352, 1652 and 1952* ex Euston to Milton Keynes (*1952 only runs as far as Bletchley)

Thank you! Very much appreciate your help with that. Had a lovely run on 433 and 214 on the 1809 ex-Euston. Briefly saw some other enthusiasts at the front taking photos and a great few beers in Leighton Buzzard!

 

[LUYMun]

Been out to pay my honours to the 319 last night, first on the 1639 ex-Euston as far as Hemel Hempstead then catching the other pair back to London. A fair number of gricers about, bashing and spotting, but they were outnumbered by the busy Friday evening crowds!

A pair of 319's will be out and about on Sunday due to an engineering block closing the line to/from Northampton. All Sunday services are formed with units ex-Bletchley because of this, including the 319's.

1226, 1522 and 1822 ex Milton Keynes to Euston,
1352, 1652 and 1952* ex Euston to Milton Keynes (*1952 only runs as far as Bletchley)

RTT says these are diagrammed with a Class 350 EMU, so how can we be sure this gen is accurate?

 

[jfollows]

RTT says these are diagrammed with a Class 350 EMU, so how can we be sure this gen is accurate?

RTT shows the working timetable which means the times the train is supposed to keep to. It does not imply the allocation of a specific type of unit. This has been discussed many times above in this thread, I'm sure. My Crewe-Manchester-Liverpool services showed in the WTT and RTT as DMUs for a couple of years following electrification, and of course the EMUs that worked the services had no problem keeping to the booked times.

 

[D7666]

.

Been out to pay my honours to the 319 last night, first on the 1639 ex-Euston as far as Hemel Hempstead then catching the other pair back to London. A fair number of gricers about, bashing and spotting, but they were outnumbered by the busy Friday evening crowds!

RTT says these are diagrammed with a Class 350 EMU, so how can we be sure this gen is accurate?

No.

RTT never shows what is diagrammed.

RTT shows what something is timed for; many TOC use one base timing load calculation for most/all trains irrespective of train type actually diagrammed.

RTT shows the working timetable which means the times the train is supposed to keep to. It does not imply the allocation of a specific type of unit. This has been discussed many times above in this thread, I'm sure. My Crewe-Manchester-Liverpool services showed in the WTT and RTT as DMUs for a couple of years following electrification, and of course the EMUs that worked the services had no problem keeping to the booked times.

oops

sorry crossed posts, your post must have been in the ether while I was typing mine; indeed your comment about Northern EMU is directly relevant here as their 319s were all shown as 150s for the first year or two, as you implied, the link here being 319s.

It /was/ once true LM 319s trains were generally shown in RTT as 321s - but obviously were not diagrammed as such; I think it was the 12/2022 timetable when it came out I went through all the trains that were shown in RTT as 321 to try and predict the then new 319s diagrams before they started - and got it partly wrong - although I did know it was a guesstimate on timing loads not diagrams.

 

[Western Sunset]

Approaching Kings Langley, Euston-bound.

 

[Silverlinky]

Been out to pay my honours to the 319 last night, first on the 1639 ex-Euston as far as Hemel Hempstead then catching the other pair back to London. A fair number of gricers about, bashing and spotting, but they were outnumbered by the busy Friday evening crowds!

RTT says these are diagrammed with a Class 350 EMU, so how can we be sure this gen is accurate?

I'd gone off the amended traincrew diagrams

 

[Jturner98]

Anyone know why the withdrawn units are being removed by road and not rail? I’d assume they are being stripped of usable parts being the reason.

 

[Silverlinky]

Anyone know why the withdrawn units are being removed by road and not rail? I’d assume they are being stripped of usable parts being the reason.

220 went off to an MOD base by road, 215 was heavily cannibalised and was not fit to move by rail.

There is a path booked via rail for the next two disposals on 27/11 as these will be units which are currently in mainline use.

219 failed before entering service today, 457 is working alone.

 

[warwickshire]

220 went off to an MOD base by road, 215 was heavily cannibalised and was not fit to move by rail.

There is a path booked via rail for the next two disposals on 27/11 as these will be units which are currently in mainline use.

219 failed before entering service today, 457 is working alone.

Which scrap yard did 319215 end up at please?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

According to a guard the last 319 from eus is this tuesday

Any truth in this, as posted in another thread?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Any truth in this, as posted in another thread?

See this post on the 730 introduction thread. Unless something has changed so they're putting both diagrams to 730 from tomorrow, it won't be until Monday 27th, with only the morning part (starting with the 0656 BLY-EUS) being 319.

If I've read things right this means the 0656 Euston-Bletchley next Monday (27th) is likely to be the final 319 working, as that one goes straight to Camden and doesn't do a Tring and back afterwards.

Class 730 LNR & WMR Delivery/test Updates

I 350s operate all services that should operate 350s and that's all that matters. They are have the same operating Specs, just different seating/internal arrangements. But the different seating specs do matter to some who travel on them on long journeys. Operations-led not customer...

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[TheHSRailFan]

Any truth in this, as posted in another thread?

Pretty much doubt, since every time either a guard or driver from LNR says anything about the 319s it's typically unanimously false.

I still think the last service is Tuesday next week since all that information has so far being confirmed!

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Pretty much doubt, since every time either a guard or driver from LNR says anything about the 319s it's typically unanimously false.

I still think the last service is Tuesday next week since all that information has so far being confirmed!

Most likely a case of somebody mixing up the 21st and 28th November, perhaps.

 

[TheHSRailFan]

Whatever the case is, I'm on my way to ride both the 730s and 319s. so if they did just swap both diagrams rather than the one then today is effectively my last day riding them.

Update: scrap that, west coast has broken down. Track circuit failure at harrow on the mainline at Watford dc

 

[D7666]

re this week next week last day, when I was out doing them on last Friday, there was one small group who had it this week (today) is the last not next week; their gen seems to come from a LMW posting somewhere, but I did not 100.00% study their source being convinced otherwise by the usually somewhat reliable gen in here e.g. from "silverlinky" of this parish.

 

[Phil Scott]

Can anyone confirm that 319215 was sent to Sims at Newport please?

Also, do we know which MoD base 319220 has gone to?

Thanks

 

[37884]

I spoke to a guard last Monday who said the last 319 diagram would be the afternoon of today. I know 2 sets were out yesterday but will the final service be today or Friday?

 

[AJDesiro]

I spoke to a guard last Monday who said the last 319 diagram would be the afternoon of today. I know 2 sets were out yesterday but will the final service be today or Friday?

As per the 730 thread, it's looking like either this Friday, or (potentially) Monday morning next week. Another diagram is meant to be reverting to 730 operation this afternoon, with the third one starting next week.

 

[37884]

Anyone know what sets are out today. Also is diagram 4 converting to a 730 from tomorrow?

 

[Af317]

319433+457 on tonights 16:24 Euston - Tring

 

[Silverlinky]

So the second set of 319's was replaced by 730's ex Camden today. Some shuffling about of units meant that the two 2's were put together and the two 4's likewise.
319219 and 214 were stood down after arriving there this morning.

Whilst it is technically possible that they could be swapped out on any day for the other pair (433+457) it is unlikely as the 2's are in a panned down state and would require firing up and prepping before entering service, nobody will be diagrammed to do that now.

It therefore looks like the 4's will be the last 319's to operate in passenger service for LNR, and the final day of operation is still on schedule to be next Monday 27th where these two will work into Camden in the morning and be shut down to be replaced by two more 730's for the PM Peak.

319217 is panned down and looking rather sorry for itself at Kings Heath.

 

[D7666]

Visited (unplanned) Euston earlier for 319s thence to Watford; and back.

Per 'silverlinky' (thanks for preceding days of gen!), 319433 (north) + 319457 (south) 16:24 Euston Tring etc.

319433 loud, the loudest motors under the pan.

2x319 dead in Camden; could not read numbers; so dead no lights at all, not even reds on the south end at least. ***

Also rans were :

15:54 730006+730011
16:39 730016+730021

No other cranks seen (well no obvious ones) maybe too many believed the other so called 'gen' ?


*** assume these must be 319214 + 319219 ?

 

[TheHSRailFan]

Visited (unplanned) Euston earlier for 319s thence to Watford; and back.

Per 'silverlinky' (thanks for preceding days of gen!), 319433 (north) + 319457 (south) 16:24 Euston Tring etc.

319433 loud, the loudest motors under the pan.

2x319 dead in Camden; could not read numbers; so dead no lights at all, not even reds on the south end at least. ***

Also rans were :

15:54 730006+730011
16:39 730016+730021

*** assume these must be 319214 + 319219 ?

As expected, can't really see why they would swap both diagrams the same day if you think about it.

No other cranks seen (well no obvious ones) maybe too many believed the other so called 'gen' ?

Well some (without accounts) just come onto this site, see what someone has said and take it at face value. I can't really take drivers or guard information about the 319s and 730s because there has been so much misinformation about it. Can also say that there were a fair few spotters(including me) at Euston yesterday when the West Coast broke and they didn't run the normal diagrams properly, so that might of contributed.