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Yes, it went to Reading on a 5R99 / 5Y99 trip yesterday as well and I haven't observed it in service since last Sunday.
paulravuslante
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Yes it was to test the brakes on the unit.
Over the course of the last week, pretty much all of the 9-car 345s which were in service up to 12 June appear to have been to signal berth 0140 or 0142 on the exit from Old Oak Depot (as illustrated on the picture below). It generally seems to be three or four units a day and didn't happen that much prior to the dates shown - these are the times suggested by TrackIt!
345055 27/07 08:44
345030 26/07 21:05
345059 26/07 19:38
345058 26/07 10:46
345027 26/07 07:43
345021 25/07 23:44
345061 24/07 21:14
345062 24/07 20:42
345065 24/07 08:14
345054 23/07 21:36
345053 23/07 20:53
345035 23/07 08:33
345070 23/07 00:26
345028 22/07 22:29
345058 22/07 03:27
345043 22/07 02:52
345070 21/07 08:53
This appears to mean that they have all been onto the National Rail network. Is this a subtle test of the software to see if the AWS functions on each unit or just a pass through the washer?
I note there is no Heathrow testing scheduled for the evenings this week. The overnight schedule to Hayes and Reading is in place but that is a Working Timetable schedule rather than a Short Term Planning schedule so not really indicative of whether it will run. Mind you, it has been auto-activated for tonight.
Recent daytime test runs to Reading all appear to be connected with getting 345022, 345063 and 345064 back into service.
345055 27/07 08:44
345030 26/07 21:05
345059 26/07 19:38
345058 26/07 10:46
345027 26/07 07:43
345021 25/07 23:44
345061 24/07 21:14
345062 24/07 20:42
345065 24/07 08:14
345054 23/07 21:36
345053 23/07 20:53
345035 23/07 08:33
345070 23/07 00:26
345028 22/07 22:29
345058 22/07 03:27
345043 22/07 02:52
345070 21/07 08:53
This appears to mean that they have all been onto the National Rail network. Is this a subtle test of the software to see if the AWS functions on each unit or just a pass through the washer?
I note there is no Heathrow testing scheduled for the evenings this week. The overnight schedule to Hayes and Reading is in place but that is a Working Timetable schedule rather than a Short Term Planning schedule so not really indicative of whether it will run. Mind you, it has been auto-activated for tonight.
Recent daytime test runs to Reading all appear to be connected with getting 345022, 345063 and 345064 back into service.
The woes of 345022 and 345064 appear to continue.
345064 went to Reading and back again on 5R99 1000 Old Oak Depot to Reading /5Y99 1055 Reading to Old Oak Depot today.
345022 went to Maidenhead and back again on 5G60 2032 Old Oak Depot to Maidenhead Reversing Siding / 5G61 2140 Maidenhead Reversing Siding to Old Oak Depot
No Heathrow or overnight Reading test trips last night or tonight. Schedule for Heathrow testing back in tomorrow night.
345064 went to Reading and back again on 5R99 1000 Old Oak Depot to Reading /5Y99 1055 Reading to Old Oak Depot today.
345022 went to Maidenhead and back again on 5G60 2032 Old Oak Depot to Maidenhead Reversing Siding / 5G61 2140 Maidenhead Reversing Siding to Old Oak Depot
No Heathrow or overnight Reading test trips last night or tonight. Schedule for Heathrow testing back in tomorrow night.
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Andy Lord (managing director at TfL) just told the TfL board that the software fix for the 9-car units has been deployed and that they would enter service to Heathrow Terminal 5 "in the next few days".
And Mark Wild, Crossrail CEO, says most of the performance issues with the Class 345s are with the complex signalling software. "The mechanics of the train are very solid – it's all in the software. I'm confident we have a good train from Bombardier."
And Mark Wild, Crossrail CEO, says most of the performance issues with the Class 345s are with the complex signalling software. "The mechanics of the train are very solid – it's all in the software. I'm confident we have a good train from Bombardier."
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swt_passenger
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Bit of a daft statement isn’t it? You cannot realistically consider the train and software separately?
matt_world2004
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Not really. Software problems only require upgrades to the software to fix them.Some design problems in the hardware and physical design of trains cannot be fixed.Bit of a daft statement isn’t it? You cannot realistically consider the train and software separately?
I suppose the next big awkward unknown is the Liverpool Street platform lengthening (core tunnel opening being simply a big straightforward unknown).
Exactly - especially if you are Ansaldo-Breda in the later case.
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Are they renumbering when they get the extra cars (e.g. 345/1) or do you just have to know which are which?
No renumbering. You just have to know.
I wondered that when they were due to run there in early June.
Note that 5T07 is currently shown on RTT to run from Old Oak Depot instead of Old Oak Common EMU depot tomorrow morning so that may be it.
5T07 0509 Old Oak Depot to London Paddington
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P62388/2020-07-30/detailed
9T07 0532 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 would then be the first service.
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matt_world2004
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They were due to enter service at the may timetable change
paulravuslante
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That would tally with the plan they had in June.
Yes, I agree but, but until the end of first week of June the open data feed was amended by VAR / STP schedules to show the Heathrow services using units from Old Oak Common EMU Depot (ie 360s). Intention and scheduling are different things.
Indeed, this morning, the three Heathrow units (5T01, 5T03, 5T07) all ran on VAR schedules. The working timetable has had these running from Old Oak Depot since the May timetable change, just as the working timetable since May has had 4tph all day to Heathrow Terminal 4 but as we know that isn't what is happening.
Also the first ever passenger-carrying ETCS transition for any train nationwide, I think?
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Other than the Cambrian 158s for the last decade or so.
iphone76
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They have stickers inside the cabs saying what type of unit you have and where you/they can go.
Eg. 7 cars only on Great Eastern and Great Western (Reading/Hayes) passenger services. No Heathrow or tunnel.
Carriages 4 & 6 are removed for 7 cars
K.o.R
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I meant do they renumber, say, 345055 to 345155 when it gets its extra 2 cars. It appears not.
No, they are 345001 to 345070.
Then the carriages are identified by changing the 4th digit.
So train 345001 has:
340101
340201
340301
340401
340501
340601
340701
340801
340901
If this was a seven car then 340401 and 340601 would be removed.
matt_world2004
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It must be terribly frustrating from a service control two have two different fleets that need to run to two seperate destinations.
Once there is a common fleet between Heathrow /Reading /Hayes it should make service recovery easier as train destinations can change to either get back to right time or to provide an even service
Once there is a common fleet between Heathrow /Reading /Hayes it should make service recovery easier as train destinations can change to either get back to right time or to provide an even service
There is a common fleet of 7-car units at the moment. That doesn't mean that Hayes and Reading trains have ever interworked. I have not noticed any stepping up of Hayes units onto Reading trains or vice versa. If a working is uncovered, another unit comes from Old Oak Depot or Maidenhead. It is fairly rare for units to be stepped up.
Today, 345057 working 9P99 1748 Hayes & Harlington to London Paddington left Hayes late and at Paddington went into the depot. It was replaced by the hot spare at Portobello Junction for 9T09 1818 London Paddington to Hayes & Harlington.
Between 18 May and early June, they operated a mix of two 7-car and seven 9-car units on Reading diagrams. The 7-cars always worked the same diagrams swapping over with a fresh unit mid-morning at Paddington.
Split fleets seem entirely surmountable. It does seem to me that the operational practice is to allow a trip to be uncovered rather than try to change the order of operation.
I assume that once 9-car operation is back in place, the changeover should be relatively quick. There doesn't seem to be any reason why it shouldn't be although I am surprised that the 5G50 - 5G61 test runs haven't been running with 9-car units to run them back in.
A Rail Operations Group locomotive comes from Leicester to either Old Oak Depot or Ilford. It takes the unit around the North London Line, with a reversal at Hanwell Loop. There hasn't been such a movement since June 22 when 345006 came from Ilford to Old Oak Depot. There were a few other movements in early June.
Do they transition? I thought they manually changed over while stationary.
Peter Mugridge
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I could have sworn I saw 345 006 on the Great eastern side on Monday; has it moved back or did I mis-identify another unit?
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