Class 458/5

[jonf45]

Had a wander round wabtec on Sunday. Work has started on 8007, which is in 4 bits, all still white at the mo! One power car of 8028 is still white but work has started on the front end etc on it. 14 and 17 seem to be nearly complete, with 14 looking almost ready to go for fitting of seats etc. Bit hard to tell what coach belonged to which set as some were missing external numbers etc!

 

[theblackwatch]

No its going to be out for awhile.

Thanks, I assume it's parked at Wombledon rather than still being in Clapham Yard?

 

[Defiance149]

Can anyone confirm the 5th car in 458513 please?

 

[Driver@swt]

Thanks, I assume it's parked at Wombledon rather than still being in Clapham Yard?

It's at Bournemouth with another (or is heading there soon). They will start overhauling the underneaths of the 458/5s soon, and these are there guinea pigs I am told.

 

[Goldfish62]

No first class that will upset the ALUA.

They can sit in the blue seats - same difference.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

It's at Bournemouth with another (or is heading there soon). They will start overhauling the underneaths of the 458/5s soon, and these are there guinea pigs I am told.

Will they get tested between Bournemouth and Weymouth once the work on them is done?

 

[5920]

Will they get tested between Bournemouth and Weymouth once the work on them is done?

No. The 106 mile run back to Wimbledon is sufficient. The unit has a return to service exam and then it's back out in the road
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Can anyone confirm the 5th car in 458513 please?

74437. All things being equal 8514 should have 74407 as the pattern so far is to use up all the 460 vehicles in a sequence.

The vehicles from 01 went into 8502/01/03/30/20
Then the vehicles from 05 went into 8505/10/11
Then the vehicles from 02 went into 8524/25/27/18/26/09
Then the vehicles from 03 went into 8519/29/08
Then the vehicles from 04 went into 8515/22/23
And now 07 has provided vehicles for 8512/13 with 74407 left.

That leaves 3 vehicles from 06 and 08 each to allocate........

 

[WWTownEnth]

458501 Out of service - fire damaged
458502 In service
458503 In service
458504 In service
458505 In service 21/04/15
458506 Doncaster 13/10/15
458507 Doncaster 17/11/15
458508 In service 02/11/15
458509 In service 29/08/15
458510 In service 28/04/15
458511 In service 04/05/15
458812 Wimbledon testing 05/11/15
458513 Wimbledon testing 21/11/15
458514 Doncaster 30/09/15
458515 Wimbledon testing 30/09/15
458016 Out of service - awaiting move to Doncaster
458517 Doncaster 22/10/15
458518 Out of service - collision damaged
458519 In service 14/09/15
458520 In service
458021 Out of service - awaiting move to Doncaster
458522 In service 02/11/15
458523 Wimbledon testing 02/11/15
458524 In service 26/05/15
458525 In service 09/06/15
458526 In service 29/08/15
458527 In service 20/07/15
458528 Doncaster 02/11/15
458529 In service 28/09/15
458530 In service
458531 In service
458532 In service
458533 In service
458534 In service
458535 In service
458536 In service

In summary:

2 458s out of service and awaiting move to Doncaster
2 458/5s out of service and awaiting repair
4 458/5s in testing
5 458/5s in conversion
23 458/5s in service

 

[Juniper Driver]

I was on 526+534,yesterday (good as gold).My debut on 526...Ironically it was a desiro on the next trip which had an internal ASDO error.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

513+515 on testing duties today heading towards Reading in quite close proximity to a service train.

All nice clean fresh bogies and sparking paintwork too, very swish.

 

[Sebastian O]

What happened to 458518?

 

[swt_passenger]

What happened to 458518?

A relatively minor side impact with a 455 shunting in Clapham Yard a few weeks ago. There's a short thread about it here with a link to a photo: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?p=2343186

 

[RobShipway]

Looks like there was a couple more class 458/5's on test on the route towards Reading. Unfortunately I did not get any numbers, but I did see them go past the office I work in just which is just past Bracknell station.

 

[5920]

Looks like there was a couple more class 458/5's on test on the route towards Reading. Unfortunately I did not get any numbers, but I did see them go past the office I work in just which is just past Bracknell station.

Still 513+515.

 

[JonathanH]

458523 was out in service with 458505 on Friday morning working the 0810 London Waterloo to Hounslow.

 

[5920]

8514 came on Saturday. 74407 is the augmented vehicle

 

[WWTownEnth]

458501 Out of service - fire damaged
458502 In service
458503 In service
458504 In service
458505 In service 21/04/15
458506 Doncaster 13/10/15
458507 Doncaster 17/11/15
458508 In service 02/11/15
458509 In service 29/08/15
458510 In service 28/04/15
458511 In service 04/05/15
458812 Wimbledon testing 05/11/15
458513 Wimbledon testing 21/11/15
458514 Wimbledon testing 11/12/15
458515 Wimbledon testing 30/09/15
458516 Doncaster 09/12/15
458517 Doncaster 22/10/15
458518 Out of service - collision damaged
458519 In service 14/09/15
458520 In service
458521 Doncaster 30/11/15
458522 In service 02/11/15
458523 In service 10/12/15
458524 In service 26/05/15
458525 In service 09/06/15
458526 In service 29/08/15
458527 In service 20/07/15
458528 Doncaster 02/11/15
458529 In service 28/09/15
458530 In service
458531 In service
458532 In service
458533 In service
458534 In service
458535 In service
458536 In service

In summary:

2 458/5s out of service and awaiting repair
4 458/5s in testing
6 458/5s in conversion
24 458/5s in service

 

[PMAP]

Two coaches of 458016 (I think) were passing through Merton on low loaders yesterday evening. Presumably on their way to Doncaster.

 

[TEW]

With the timetable change today there are in theory now 32 458/5 diagrams on Weekdays (21 Saturdays, 14 Sundays), obviously they won't all be formed of 458/5s for a while yet though. The vast majority of Waterloo-Windsor and services via Hounslow are booked 458/5s now. The following is a list of services which aren't. Obviously be aware that extra services won't be 458/5s until the full fleet is in service.

Monday-Friday
2R15 0843 Waterloo-Waterloo via Richmond and Hounslow (8-455)
2R17 0915 Waterloo-Waterloo via Richmond and Hounslow (8-455)
2S21 0922 Waterloo-Weybridge (8-450)
2V25 1107 Waterloo-Waterloo via Hounslow and Richmond (8-450)
2V31 1237 Waterloo-Waterloo via Hounslow and Richmond (8-450)
2R31 1245 Waterloo-Waterloo via Richmond and Hounslow (8-450)
2S39 1352 Waterloo-Weybridge (8-450)
2R37 1415 Waterloo-Waterloo via Richmond and Hounslow (8-450)
2S41 1422 Waterloo-Weybridge (8-450)
2S47 1552 Waterloo-Weybridge (8-450)
2R55 1845 Waterloo-Waterloo via Richmond and Hounslow (8-455)
2V57 1907 Waterloo-Waterloo via Hounslow and Richmond (8-450)
2S63 1952 Waterloo-Weybridge (8-450)

2S10 0633 Staines-Waterloo (8-455)
2S30 1103 Weybridge-Waterloo (8-450)
2S48 1533 Weybridge-Waterloo (8-450)
2S50 1603 Weybridge-Waterloo (8-450)
2S56 1737 Weybridge-Waterloo (8-450)
2S72 2133 Weybridge-Waterloo (8-450)

Saturdays
2U04 0458 Staines-Waterloo (8-450)
2U14 0723 Windsor-Waterloo (8-450)
2U24 0953 Windsor-Waterloo (8-450)
2U34 1223 Windsor-Waterloo (8-450)
2U44 1453 Windsor-Waterloo (8-450)
2U54 1723 Windsor-Waterloo (8-450)
2U64 1953 Windsor-Waterloo (8-450)
2U74 2223 Windsor-Waterloo (8-450)

2U07 0558 Waterloo-Windsor (8-450)
2U17 0828 Waterloo-Windsor (8-450)
2U27 1058 Waterloo-Windsor (8-450)
2U37 1328 Waterloo-Windsor (8-450)
2U47 1558 Waterloo-Windsor (8-450)
2U57 1828 Waterloo-Windsor (8-450)
2U67 2058 Waterloo-Windsor (8-450)

Sundays
All Waterloo-Kingston via Hounslow and Twickenham services are formed 8-455.

1S75 2250 Waterloo-Woking (4-450)

 

[swt_passenger]

Thinking back to the discussion a few weeks ago about utilisation, that eventual intended 32 from 36 is a good value at about 89%, I recall we thought the typical 458/0 utilisation was only 24 from 30. So if it works out long term they've effectively got 8 more units daily for the price of 6?

 

[JonathanH]

Thinking back to the discussion a few weeks ago about utilisation, that eventual intended 32 from 36 is a good value at about 89%, I recall we thought the typical 458/0 utilisation was only 24 from 30. So if it works out long term they've effectively got 8 more units daily for the price of 6?

Typical 458/0 utilisation was 24 from 30 but they wanted 27 from 30 from the 2007 timetable change so we will have to see whether 32 from 36 is workable.

 

[Juniper Driver]

I spied 513 and 515 both roughly around Queenstown Road today.

 

[RobShipway]

I spied 513 and 515 both roughly around Queenstown Road today.

When do you start driving 458/5's Juniper Driver on a regular basis?

 

[5920]

8506 is with SWT for commissioning. It has 74436 as the extra vehicle.

 

[RobShipway]

8506 is with SWT for commissioning. It has 74436 as the extra vehicle.

So how many class 458/0's are still left to move to be converted now?

 

[Bigfoot]

With the timetable change today there are in theory now 32 458/5 diagrams on Weekdays (21 Saturdays, 14 Sundays), obviously they won't all be formed of 458/5s for a while yet though. The vast majority of Waterloo-Windsor and services via Hounslow are booked 458/5s now. The following is a list of services which aren't. Obviously be aware that extra services won't be 458/5s until the full fleet is in service.

There are a number of Weybridge services that will remain 450 due to Basingstoke crews not signing 458s

 

[swt_passenger]

So how many class 458/0's are still left to move to be converted now?

Only one unit, 458021, is shown in the list above at post #3167 Unless it has just moved in which case the answer is zero.

 

[hassaanhc]

I got 458513+458523 (both winners ) yesterday 14 Dec on the 2S52 1633 Weybridge to London Waterloo. It got delayed from Virginia Water onwards due to a delayed ex-Reading service, and being 7 late by Clapham Junction only narrowly avoided getting overtaken by the below. We did however go Queenstown Road > Windsor Reversible to stop at P1 at Vauxhall (think I've had that before though ).
458508+458512 were on the 2V47 1637 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

So at least two new units freshly into service. Shame about the delays on the Main Lines and near Reading that messed things up on the first weekday of the new timetable.

As expected, 10 cars (instead of 455 8 cars) were on the 2V49 1707 London Waterloo to London Waterloo and 2H97 1843 London Waterloo to Shepperton, with their previous 455 8 cars instead used on 2R55 1845 London Waterloo to London Waterloo. This is the only service for this set in the evening.
However, today it crossed to the Up Main Fast after Queenstown Road to stop on P5 at Vauxhall, and then over to the Up Main Slow to arrive P1 at Waterloo, in order to cover for a cancellation on the suburbans.

 

[WWTownEnth]

458501 Out of service - fire damaged
458502 In service
458503 In service
458504 In service
458505 In service 21/04/15
458506 Wimbledon testing 13/12/15
458507 Doncaster 17/11/15
458508 In service 02/11/15
458509 In service 29/08/15
458510 In service 28/04/15
458511 In service 04/05/15
458812 In service 14/12/15
458513 In service 14/12/15
458514 Wimbledon testing 11/12/15
458515 In service 14/12/15
458516 Doncaster 09/12/15
458517 Doncaster 22/10/15
458518 Out of service - collision damaged
458519 In service 14/09/15
458520 In service
458521 Doncaster 30/11/15
458522 In service 02/11/15
458523 In service 10/12/15
458524 In service 26/05/15
458525 In service 09/06/15
458526 In service 29/08/15
458527 In service 20/07/15
458528 Doncaster 02/11/15
458529 In service 28/09/15
458530 In service
458531 In service
458532 In service
458533 In service
458534 In service
458535 In service
458536 In service

In summary:

2 458/5s out of service and awaiting repair
2 458/5s in testing
5 458/5s in conversion
27 458/5s in service

 

[SpacePhoenix]

What's the current guesstimate as to when all the 458/5s will be in service (excluding the three that are out of service awaiting repairs)?