Class 458/5

[cjohnson]

Spotted two 4-car units at Wimbledon this morning (didn't get the numbers) - one with barrier vehicles and a Colas loco, the other by itself.

 

[Bigfoot]

Spotted two 4-car units at Wimbledon this morning (didn't get the numbers) - one with barrier vehicles and a Colas loco, the other by itself.

4 Cars... Have they given up...?

 

[Lockwood]

Possibly units ready to be dragged for work to be done to them?

 

[cactustwirly]

4 Cars... Have they given up...?

They have just arrived from Doncaster (I believe?)

 

[cjmillsnun]

They have just arrived from Doncaster (I believe?)

I would think that 4 car units are 458/0s ready to send back to Donny.

 

[swt_passenger]

I would think that 4 car units are 458/0s ready to send back to Donny.

It's not rocket science is it though. If they are white and 4 car they haven't been and if they are blue and 5 car they've come back.

If on the other hand they really are blue and 4 car they must be 450s...

 

[Lockwood]

If they are white and 4 car they haven't been

Or they are a 377 that got quite lost

 

[theageofthetra]

Saw one whilst waiting at Vauxhall today and must admit they did look very smart. I doubt a non enthusiast would not think they were brand new.

 

[WWTownEnth]

Can anyone provide a full list of the sets converted or in the process of being converted. Here is what I have but I am not sure it is correct:

458501 Doncaster
458502 Doncaster
458503 Doncaster
458531 In service
458532 Testing at WCD
458533 Testing at WCD
458534 In service
458535 Testing at WCD
458536 Doncaster

 

[Bigfoot]

Can anyone provide a full list of the sets converted or in the process of being converted. Here is what I have but I am not sure it is correct:

458501 Doncaster
458502 Doncaster
458503 Doncaster
458531 In service
458532 Testing at WCD
458533 Testing at WCD
458534 In service
458535 Testing at WCD
458536 Doncaster

458532 Still in Doncaster as far as I am aware...

 

[bluegoblin7]

Damn - 458003 was my last 458 before I'd cleared the class. Spent a year trying to track it down but it was eluding me! Ah, well.

The new 458/5s look good though. Was on one a week or so ago, and a lot of passengers thought they had the wrong train at first as it was far too shiny, had 2+2 seating and tables in the end carriages.

 

[TEW]

Been reported elsewhere that 458003 has been either out of service or on restricted duties, unable to couple to other units, for a while now. The only place it would have been used recently is on the Guildford-Ascot line so that would probably explain why you hadn't seen it.

 

[arty762]

According to Genius report the following are at works for conversion 8001 (arr date 06/12/13)
8002 (arr date 06/12/13)
8003 (arr date 05/03/14)

 

[RobShipway]

Which route are the 458/5's being run on, is it the route to Windsor?

 

[hassaanhc]

Which route are the 458/5's being run on, is it the route to Windsor?

Yes, Waterloo-Windsor & Eton Riverside and back. Can't remember now what the exact departure times are now though.
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Anyway, the other day I got a short ride in one of those. The announcements were working - it was the same woman as used in the other trains but implemented poorly, as if you've cut her off mid-sentence :roll:

"This is Clapham Junctionnnnnn"........................."This train is for Windsor & Eton Riversiiiiiide"

 

[swt_passenger]

Yes, Waterloo-Windsor & Eton Riverside and back. Can't remember now what the exact departure times are now though.

They have been listed earlier in this thread:

0558 Waterloo to Windsor
0723 Windsor to Waterloo
0828 Waterloo to Windsor
0953 Windsor to Waterloo
1058 Waterloo to Windsor
1223 Windsor to Waterloo
1328 Waterloo to Windsor
1453 Windsor to Waterloo
1558 Waterloo to Windsor
1723 Windsor to Waterloo
1828 Waterloo to Windsor
1953 Windsor to Waterloo
2058 Waterloo to Windsor
2223 Windsor to Waterloo

As seen here: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1729168&postcount=672

 

[hassaanhc]

They have been listed earlier in this thread:

0558 Waterloo to Windsor
0723 Windsor to Waterloo
0828 Waterloo to Windsor
0953 Windsor to Waterloo
1058 Waterloo to Windsor
1223 Windsor to Waterloo
1328 Waterloo to Windsor
1453 Windsor to Waterloo
1558 Waterloo to Windsor
1723 Windsor to Waterloo
1828 Waterloo to Windsor
1953 Windsor to Waterloo
2058 Waterloo to Windsor
2223 Windsor to Waterloo

As seen here: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1729168&postcount=672

Thanks I knew they were there somewhere but couldn't be bothered to go looking for them I caught the 2058 from Waterloo

 

[SpacePhoenix]

What's the cost of the 485's compared with a new build of class 450s?

When the 3rd rail lines get converted to overhead, how much work is involved in converting the 485's to overhead? I've read somewhere that the 450s have got all the wiring needed for overhead in place and would presumably just need a transformer bolted onto the underside, a pantograph bolted into the pantograph well (both connected to the wiring), possibly a new panel in the cab and a software update.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

What's the cost of the 485's compared with a new build of class 450s?

When the 3rd rail lines get converted to overhead, how much work is involved in converting the 485's to overhead? I've read somewhere that the 450s have got all the wiring needed for overhead in place and would presumably just need a transformer bolted onto the underside, a pantograph bolted into the pantograph well (both connected to the wiring), possibly a new panel in the cab and a software update.

For the first part, with all the delays I imagine SWT management will be asking themselves the same question!

As for the other, I vaguely remember that when they were previously planned to go off-lease from SWT, one possibility mooted was sending them to Glasgow to work alongside the 334s- the only AC 'Junipers'. Then again, it's also been said on here that converting the 458s is likely to be a bit trickier than it would for the 450s, though I'm not a fitter/mechanic so I wouldn't know the details!

 

[455driver]

I think there was a problem with the costing because the 458s have 2 something or others (non technical term ) and the new rules mean they need 3 of them, or was it they have one and need 2!

 

[5920]

Been reported elsewhere that 458003 has been either out of service or on restricted duties, unable to couple to other units, for a while now. The only place it would have been used recently is on the Guildford-Ascot line so that would probably explain why you hadn't seen it.

8003 had been stopped since August. It never even got out of the depot.
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For the first part, with all the delays I imagine SWT management will be asking themselves the same question!

As for the other, I vaguely remember that when they were previously planned to go off-lease from SWT, one possibility mooted was sending them to Glasgow to work alongside the 334s- the only AC 'Junipers'. Then again, it's also been said on here that converting the 458s is likely to be a bit trickier than it would for the 450s, though I'm not a fitter/mechanic so I wouldn't know the details!

The 460 is DC only. Never made to be potentially dual voltage.

 

[Brian Aylott]

8003 had been stopped since August. It never even got out of the depot.]

How did it get to Wabtec then?
Brian

 

[Monty]

I imagine it was loco hauled with barrier wagons like the others.

 

[455driver]

8003 had been stopped since August. It never even got out of the depot.

How did it get to Wabtec then?
Brian

Fairy dust!

Or more likely, Montys way!

 

[SWT_USER]

Slightly related to the thread... anyone know whether the platforms at Feltham will be extended? Went through on Friday and noticed the rear of a 10 coach train was blocking the level crossing whilst the train was in the station.

 

[swt_passenger]

Slightly related to the thread... anyone know whether the platforms at Feltham will be extended?

Not in the current phase of work.

However the latest description of the future CP6 scheme (i.e. by 2019), to allow for 10 car services to Reading now mentions a requirement to 'review the options' to allow 10 car services to call at Feltham, but it is will be included in the already planned Feltham re-signalling scheme.

 

[SWT_USER]

Not in the current phase of work.

However the latest description of the future CP6 scheme (i.e. by 2019), to allow for 10 car services to Reading now mentions a requirement to 'review the options' to allow 10 car services to call at Feltham, but it is will be included in the already planned Feltham re-signalling scheme.

Thanks. I Imagine it will be a very expensive job if they go for it, doesn't look easy to extend under the bridge at the London end and obviously the level crossing at the other end.

 

[swt_passenger]

Yes, and I think 'review the options' is really just a polite euphemism for 'prove it can't be done economically'...

 

[cjmillsnun]

For the first part, with all the delays I imagine SWT management will be asking themselves the same question!

As for the other, I vaguely remember that when they were previously planned to go off-lease from SWT, one possibility mooted was sending them to Glasgow to work alongside the 334s- the only AC 'Junipers'. Then again, it's also been said on here that converting the 458s is likely to be a bit trickier than it would for the 450s, though I'm not a fitter/mechanic so I wouldn't know the details!

I'm sure 450s would've been SWT's preferred option. It would keep a uniform fleet (444/450s, 455/456s and 158/159s). I suspect SN would've preferred to keep the 460s (they were designed for GatEX) and get more 377s instead of getting the 442s.

Would've SR wanted the 458/0s converted to AC? God knows.

 

[455driver]

I suspect SN would've preferred to keep the 460s (they were designed for GatEX)

Really!
I thought they were designed and built for the extended South Western electrification to Weymouth!