Class 458/5

[Juniper Driver]

I believe I was talking about 458s, not 455s. And about internal care, not repaints. Maybe it doesn't seem fair to you, but there have been enough comments on here and elsewhere about the lack of TLC with the 458s. And its the view of plenty of staff as well as others.

I know,I was just remarking how nice the 455's look.

Presumably SWT are satisfied with the internal condition as they wouldn't have accepted delivery. Also, given that Wimbledon hasn't bothered with the internal condition of the 458s for the past 15 years, I doubt they're going to start now.

Also I was remarking on your comment and disagree given Wimbledon do a very good job and I have a failure about every two years.Why the haven't done the internal I don't know,perhaps they don't specialise in it on 458's (Actually I thought Bournemouth or somewhere else would do it).I haven't seen the later units anyway but if they are bad I will and try and find out why.

It also seems they are more interested in getting these units up and running them in service first as they are well late and we are short of units at times.

 

[Goldfish62]

I know,I was just remarking how nice the 455's look.



Also I was remarking on your comment and disagree given Wimbledon do a very good job and I have a failure about every two years.Why the haven't done the internal I don't know,perhaps they don't specialise in it on 458's (Actually I thought Bournemouth or somewhere else would do it).I haven't seen the later units anyway but if they are bad I will and try and find out why.

It also seems they are more interested in getting these units up and running them in service first as they are well late and we are short of units at times.

No worries, lets agree to disagree. On the webchat today they said that the first unit shouldn't have gone into service without a clean and this will be done asap.

 

[hassaanhc]

That doesn't seem fair.I thought they were "freshened" up at Bournemouth.I think Wimbledon do a very good job on their trains.Who keeps painting these 455's? They look lovely.



Saw 502 being shunted about Wimbledon (under it's own power) just after 1330 so it does actually move.

It might be alive, but is it well enough to enter service? :P
Once again a unit short today.

The other day SWT said on Twitter that weekend services on Weybridge/Woking via Hounslow and Hounslow loop will continue to use single Class 455 units.

 

[Juniper Driver]

No worries, lets agree to disagree. On the webchat today they said that the first unit shouldn't have gone into service without a clean and this will be done asap.

Well that's fair enough..What were they? Covered in dust?

If so you are obviously correct that they should have had a clean first.

It might be alive, but is it well enough to enter service? :P

No,I think it is unwell.So would you be if you'd had major work done.

 

[SWTuser]

The 10:19 Isleworth to Waterloo was 5 carriages only 458 531 was the unit

 

[arty762]

It might be alive, but is it well enough to enter service? :P
Once again a unit short today.

The other day SWT said on Twitter that weekend services on Weybridge/Woking via Hounslow and Hounslow loop will continue to use single Class 455 units.

502 has been out with a brake fault , it was out on road beside bogie drop coupled to 501 .

 

[Juniper Driver]

502 has been out with a brake fault , it was out on road beside bogie drop coupled to 501 .

So...to our inside man...What is this about dirty interiors,Arty?

 

[arty762]

So...to our inside man...What is this about dirty interiors,Arty?

as far as i can see very little has been done to the interiors of our returning units , hence the blue first class seating remaining , which i think looks hideous, they must have done some work though as 501 still has plastic wrap on some of the seating , but i think in the rush to get units back they are cutting corners , 501 came back only half completed, the wabtec guy's are finishing it off here.

 

[Manchester77]

Is it still expected to be complete by May 15? Because realistically if each set takes so long to be fully ready, even with stuff not complete upon arrival at Wimbledon, I'd I were SWT aid want to gradually ease them into service for December 2015 that way any faults with ASDO and the 459s themselves can be sorted.

 

[user15681]

Below are the current, up to date, details about the 458/5 fleet. Someone might find it useful.

Unit no - Confirmed carriage formation - Location and status - Wimbledon delivery date

458501 - 67701, 74101, 74001, 74431, 67601 - Wimbledon testing - 16/08/2014
458502 - 67702, 74102, 74002, 74421, 67602 - In Service - 12/07/2014
458503 - 67703, 74103, 74003, 74441, 67603 - Wimbledon testing - 18/09/2014
458504 - 67704, 74104, 74004, XXXXX, 67604 - Doncaster rebuild -
458530 - 67730, 74130, 74030, XXXXX, 67630 - Doncaster rebuild -
458531 - 67913, 74418, 74446, 74458, 67912 - In Service - 22/10/2013
458532 - 67904, 74417, 74447, 74457, 67905 - In Service - 28/07/2014
458533 - 67917, 74413, 74443, 74453, 67916 - In Service - 18/01/2014
458534 - 67914, 74414, 74444, 74454, 67918 - In Service - 21/09/2013
458535 - 67915, 74415, 74445, 74455, 67911 - In Service - 21/03/2014
458536 - Carriage formation unconfirmed - Doncaster rebuild -

 

[arty762]

8020, looks like next unit to go to Doncaster , no date set yet though.

 

[Juniper Driver]

as far as i can see very little has been done to the interiors of our returning units , hence the blue first class seating remaining , which i think looks hideous, they must have done some work though as 501 still has plastic wrap on some of the seating , but i think in the rush to get units back they are cutting corners , 501 came back only half completed, the wabtec guy's are finishing it off here.

Yeah,that sounds about right although I haven't been near those units recently as desiro's (and 455's) are taking up my time.

Noticed at least four units at Wimbledon Sheds @ approx 1210.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

Last night when I was passing on my many trips up & down to Waterloo, both 501 & 502 were coupled up outside the inspection shed.

 

[WarrenTManager]

458536 consists of 67906, 74416, 74448, 74456, 67902

That then condemns DMFLs 67901/3/7/8 to become razor blades.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

Personally I'd keep those coaches in storage,because if any of the other were to receive significant accidental damage you could always use one of those.

I mean look at that 455 that had a cement mixer interface problem at Oxshott. It was almost certainly destined for withdrawal,but they found a coach from a 210 unit and its now back in service.

 

[Juniper Driver]

Personally I'd keep those coaches in storage,because if any of the other were to receive significant accidental damage you could always use one of those.

I mean look at that 455 that had a cement mixer interface problem at Oxshott. It was almost certainly destined for withdrawal,but they found a coach from a 210 unit and its now back in service.

Yeah but storing them to rust like that VEP in Clapham Yard is not good.:-x

 

[HarleyDavidson]

There's a comment I'd love to put here, but if I did I would be in sooo much trouble.

 

[Juniper Driver]

There's a comment I'd love to put here, but if I did I would be in sooo much trouble.

Hmmmmm.Hope I didn't offend.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

No you didn't and not about you...

 

[JonathanH]

8020, looks like next unit to go to Doncaster , no date set yet though.

Still in service tonight - 8020+8027 2C57 1809 London Waterloo to Reading

 

[user15681]

Think 458020 is off on Tuesday.

Ignore that actually, sorry. It's 4Z47 on Tuesday, 47 and barriers from Wimbledon to Wabtec. Could be the same barriers that brought down 458503, in which case another 458/5 may need delivering from Wabtec.

 

[Juniper Driver]

Which one is it then? Which one is next? Still 8020?

 

[455driver]

As its a class 4 it will just be the barrier coaches going north.

 

[TEW]

Presumably 458536 is ready to be delivered.

 

[WWTownEnth]

Both trains on the Hounslow loop / Weybridge via Putney routes this morning were in short formation (5 instead of 10 cars).

What is going on with these things?

 

[HarleyDavidson]

A lot of head scratching in Wimbledon Park depot! I know that they've got two in the sheds for testing, remedial work & "static" train crew training.

 

[Juniper Driver]

A lot of head scratching in Wimbledon Park depot! I know that they've got two in the sheds for testing, remedial work & "static" train crew training.

Crew training at my depot seems to be a bit of a problem.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

Not being trained on them. They'll be coming off my traction card in the next 28 days or so.

 

[Matt Taylor]

47739 noted northbound from Eastleigh at Allbrook around 1030 this morning. 458536 coming on Thursday?

 

[user15681]

Presumably 458536 is ready to be delivered.

47739 noted northbound from Eastleigh at Allbrook around 1030 this morning. 458536 coming on Thursday?

They were my thoughts exactly. 8536 has to be ready by now, and I can't imagine 504/530 being ready yet.