At Kingston and other stations still with short platforms not all doors will open.
It’s 4 car 450s other than the through services.
Not sure of your point. If the whole fleet were 5car like GA are now then they could put a single 5car 701 on. SWR could do that regardless of the mix of 5 and 10car unless they ran out of suitable 5car units. But they could put two 5car on with the rear two coaches locked out just the same as if it were a single 10car. So it does not change what happens at short platforms until the platform is only 5 or less coaches long - then a 10car has the benefit that people can walk through. But I don't think 5 or less coach length platforms is a common thing on SWR ?.
There is only just room for eight cars between the buffer stops on platform 1 and the fouling point with the track through platform 2. If you run a 10-car into platform 1, nothing can use platform 2. It is for that reason that platform 2, which can take ten cars, has recently been resignalled to allow terminating trains from the west to use it.
Sorry, what do you mean by Clandon and Hounslow?
Sorry, turnbacks at these locations during engineering work cannot be 10-cars, so 5-cars will be needed for these.
The only ones where 701s will be calling regularly are Frimley and Bagshot.
I see, thanks for the clarification.
hounslow can be 10 car as long as its fixed formation. it changed in the resignalling (they cant shunt via the country end however).
Would that apply to the all 701 formations (as they are all the same length?) or only the 10 car sets?
Only the 10 car ones as the driver needs to be able to walk through
Many of the unusual reversing locations do not have walkways, and climbing down to track level walkway has fallen out out of favour. Not particularly safe if no walkway at either level, although with hindsight modifying the infrastructure might have been easier than bodging the trains
The Desiro City appears to have the same coach length irrespective of cab or no cab. No idea about CAF, Hitachi or Stadler designs.
I doubt it. TfL would require bespoke trains as per Crossrail 1 including being equipped with ATO.
The door stopping position at stations various has obviously been an issue, associated (perhaps) with the ABDO system that was planned in association with the SWR franchise bid, but has since been dropped, as has their proposed enhanced TT. One thing that seems to have escaped the notice of some, is that when the main suburban platforms at Waterloo were extended in the 2016/17 rebuild, the length of 10 car suburban trains, as existed at that time, was 204m. Anything longer (even by a metre or so, it is that tight on some platforms at Waterloo) and there would likely be signal sighting issues to address in relation to the driver(s) of outgoing trains.
Yes, and an excellent point.
Admittedly, most of us on here know better than to describe them as brand new trains after all this time.
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Yes,that would indicate it’s a 701My gut feeling is that this 5Q40 path'd Eastleigh-Staines on 14th December as 100mph EMU will be a 701. Any thoughts anyone please?
Realtime Trains | 5Q40 0810 Eastleigh Trsmd to Staines Up Loop | 14/12/2023
Real-time train running information for 5Q40 0810 departure from Eastleigh Trsmd to Staines Up Loop on 14/12/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
I think the vast majority of the travelling public have completely forgotten that they were promised new trains way back in Summer 2017 so SWR will undoubtedly be able to get away with it.
Given SWR's rather ancient current fleet they'd probably be able to get away with it! I remember friends of mine thinking the refurbished 455s were brand new when first introduced.
and for Sevenoaks via Catford.
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And the North Kent line
What indicates it could be a 701, and a revenue service? I don't know my way around realtimetrains very wellRealtime Trains | 2U91 1025 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside | 14/12/2023
Real-time train running information for 2U91 1025 departure from London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside on 14/12/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Looks like a 701 might be in service this week….
It's got a 9 in its headcode, and it's an STP Runs as Required path. In terms of revenue service, Class 2 is stopping passenger. If it were to run ECS it'd be a Class 5. Could just be a press show-off though, as opposed to proper revenue.
Possibly for 2 consecutive days...Realtime Trains | 2U91 1025 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside | 14/12/2023
Real-time train running information for 2U91 1025 departure from London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside on 14/12/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Looks like a 701 might be in service this week….
Yes.
But what indicates a 701 instead of any other stock?
Nothing in the data for that, however the workings for it are:
It's a single return journey off peak 7 minutes apart from regularly timetabled services. It seems entirely pointless apart from if it is used as an opportunity to run the class 701 in passenger service.