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Class 707 - SWT: Introduction into service

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The December 19 timetable change should've seen these units on Sheppertons but this didn't happen due to shuttles operating between Shepperton and Kingston Bay platform (8 car) throughout December. This Saturday is the first weekend of 2020 that the Wimbledon side of SWR suburban has been operational and I've seen more 707s than usual, all on Shepperton diagrams.

Did the changeover of 707s to Shepperton happen at the start of the year? And is it a permanent change until the 701s. Much nicer travelling environment than the 455s
 
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The December 19 timetable change should've seen these units on Sheppertons but this didn't happen due to shuttles operating between Shepperton and Kingston Bay platform (8 car) throughout December. This Saturday is the first weekend of 2020 that the Wimbledon side of SWR suburban has been operational and I've seen more 707s than usual, all on Shepperton diagrams.

Did the changeover of 707s to Shepperton happen at the start of the year? And is it a permanent change until the 701s. Much nicer travelling environment than the 455s
All bar the last two departures from Waterloo are now booked 10-707 on a Saturday. The 2312 is booked 8-450 and the 2357 8-455.
 

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All bar the last two departures from Waterloo are now booked 10-707 on a Saturday. The 2312 is booked 8-450 and the 2357 8-455.
Thanks for the info, I suppose yesterday was the first day that could've come into effect then. Do you know if it's a similar set up weekdays?
 

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Thanks for the info, I suppose yesterday was the first day that could've come into effect then. Do you know if it's a similar set up weekdays?

Weekdays all main side Shepperton are 10 707 up to and including the 1912. From then to end of service they are 8 455 except 2112 (10 707) and 2357 (8 455 +2 456)
 
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Would I be right in thinking that all of the Shepperton via Richmond peak hour extras are now 8 455? They used to feature various forms of traction including 707, but from my admittedly limited number of observations of the evening peak I haven't noticed anything apart from 8 455.
 

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Would I be right in thinking that all of the Shepperton via Richmond peak hour extras are now 8 455? They used to feature various forms of traction including 707, but from my admittedly limited number of observations of the evening peak I haven't noticed anything apart from 8 455.
The 3 evening extras should all be 8 455, the 0700 and 0730 up are 10 707 and the 0800 10 458
 

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Is there talk still going about these going elsewhere to another toc?
 

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They do have a new home, it’ll probably be officially announced next month. (Take from that what you will).
 

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They are going, to another TOC is rather quiet at the moment though.
Hasn’t the order the various fleets leave SWR been changed, these were originally “first out”, but it’s now reckoned they’re staying longer? So when a future operator becomes known, they won’t get them as quickly as we first thought?
 
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Hasn’t the order the various fleets leave SWR been changed, these were originally “first out”, but it’s now reckoned they’re staying longer? So when a future operator becomes known, they won’t get them as quickly as we first thought?
The last I heard it was 458s first, then 455/456 and 707s last. IF all goes according to plan the 707s will be gone in about 18 months time, which isn't that far away in the scheme of things.
 

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The last I heard it was 458s first, then 455/456 and 707s last. IF all goes according to plan the 707s will be gone in about 18 months time, which isn't that far away in the scheme of things.
I guess not, but I suspect we’ll all be quite impressed if the Aventra production really does ramp up that well.
 

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I guess not, but I suspect we’ll all be quite impressed if the Aventra production really does ramp up that well.
I don't think there's any problem with production. They're being churned out at a right old rate and an additional production line for the 701s has opened. It's reliability which is the issue.
 

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I don't think there's any problem with production. They're being churned out at a right old rate and an additional production line for the 701s has opened. It's reliability which is the issue.
or rather software, 710 looking pretty much sorted which is a good omen.

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I don't think there's any problem with production. They're being churned out at a right old rate and an additional production line for the 701s has opened. It's reliability which is the issue.
Maybe I should have written “delivery” rather than production then...
 

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Pretty sure it’s 455/456s going first to give an instant capacity boost by seeing off any 8.455 workings where ASDO can’t be used due to short platforms etc.
 

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Reliability of the software then. Agreed re 710s.

I assume production of the class 345s and 710s is complete

Therefore the 665 cars of Anglia class 720 and the 775 cars of the SWR class 701 are proceeding in parallel. But as far as I'm aware none are even being used for driver training, so no chance of being in service soon.

I am guessing at some stage a line needs to move over to start the 333 cars of West Midlands class 730 at which point production rates of others decrease, not sure what the delivery date for the 60 for C2C is (sometime in 2021 ?)
 

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I assume production of the class 345s and 710s is complete

Therefore the 665 cars of Anglia class 720 and the 775 cars of the SWR class 701 are proceeding in parallel. But as far as I'm aware none are even being used for driver training, so no chance of being in service soon.

I am guessing at some stage a line needs to move over to start the 333 cars of West Midlands class 730 at which point production rates of others decrease, not sure what the delivery date for the 60 for C2C is (sometime in 2021 ?)
The first 701 is due with SWR for mainline testing "early this year".

Anyway, going far too OT now...
 

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I assume production of the class 345s and 710s is complete

Therefore the 665 cars of Anglia class 720 and the 775 cars of the SWR class 701 are proceeding in parallel. But as far as I'm aware none are even being used for driver training, so no chance of being in service soon.

I am guessing at some stage a line needs to move over to start the 333 cars of West Midlands class 730 at which point production rates of others decrease, not sure what the delivery date for the 60 for C2C is (sometime in 2021 ?)
LNR/WMT and C2C orders to follow on after Anglia and SWR.

Bombardier have in big problems in where to store everything pre-delivery hence being able to clear the decks and get all the 710s delivered would be useful. 345s aren't so easy to solve as there isn't the space in London with construction /testing still on going and some 315s still needed for a while longer.
 
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Pretty sure it’s 455/456s going first to give an instant capacity boost by seeing off any 8.455 workings where ASDO can’t be used due to short platforms etc.
That was the latest iteration of the plan I heard too and the most sensible as it adds extra capacity soonest which has become more important given the delays.
 
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